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  • Heitor Roriz Filho
    ... +1 for Roy. ... On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Roy Morien wrote: The young junior girl who makes my morning coffee and does my
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      On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Roy Morien <roymorien@...> wrote:

      The young junior girl who makes my morning coffee and does my photocopying is a hero to me ... because she makes great coffee, and does the photocopying promptly and efficiently. A job well done is a job well done, whatever the 'status' of the person doing it.



      +1 for Roy.
       
       
      Regards,
      Roy Morien
       

      To: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com
      From: flavio.steffens@...
      Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:32:09 -0300
      Subject: Re: [scrumdevelopment] Re: New socialism?

       
      Folks,

      Thanks for the discussion.

      My two points was:

      About having heroes or not. Well, by the discussions people convince me that heroes are not good. I thank for that.

      About socialism, I was trying to discuss if sometimes we are not focus too much in the TEAM and forgetting the INDIVIDUALS, and there's became the comparison with "that" socialism. I saw that many of you wrote about this, and yes, I believe that we are doing the right thing. 

      As you know, since we are always sharing the agile, some people tends to understand it a little different. And that's why we need to focus in some things. For example, I meet a lot of people (programmers and also PM's) that had this visions: "Why we should focus only on team? So MY work will not be important?". 

      This thread was very "hot". :) But produces some good texts for us.

      By the way, WIRED wrote an excelent text about their view of the "new socialism". Worth reading: http://www.wired.com/culture/culturereviews/magazine/17-06/nep_newsocialism

      Best regards!
      _____________________
      Flavio Steffens de Castro
      http://www.agileway.com.br
      A filosofia agile no dia-a-dia

      MSN: flavio.steffens@...
      Twitter: @flaviosteffens


      On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Jussi Mononen <jussi.mononen@...> wrote:
      Tim Eiler wrote:
      >
      > The main difference between socialism/communism and Agile methods is the
      > concept of ownership.  As the author Ayn Rand would say, communism and
      > socialism are immoral, as the say that man should exist for “the state,”
      > while man should only exist for himself.  Agile gives individuals more
      > ownership of their own destiny – in Agile, individuals choose to work
      > together only because it helps all achieve more.

      Hi,

      one could argue that Agile resembles a 'centrally planned economy' and
      there is ownership shared between the workers which might put it close
      to some definitions of socialism.

      Marc Bless wrote:
       > Imagine what would happen to the people of a socialist government if
       > they started to surface impediments every other week.

      They would transcend into.. communism! :-D

      from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism]

       > Karl Marx, the father of communist thought, posited that communism
       > would be the final stage in society, which would be achieved through a
       > proletarian revolution and only possible after a socialist stage
       > develops the productive forces, leading to a superabundance of goods
       > and services.
       >
       > "Pure communism" in the Marxian sense refers to a classless, stateless
       > and oppression-free society where decisions on what to produce and
       > what policies to pursue are made democratically, allowing every member
       > of society to participate in the decision-making process in both the
       > political and economic spheres of life."

      (note, states usually referred as "communist states" were merely
      totalitarian states or dictatorships)

      That sounds familiar doesn't it :-) Ideologically communism has
      attributes that can be found from agile too, but unlike communism in
      agile we have collaborative ownership, meaning that *we* have the
      responsibility. Thus, Agile is not communism.

      I see Agile more like a small community like way of developing software
      utilizing all the good that can be found from your immediaty proximity
      by inspecting and adapting. Maybe agile is communism *after* inspection
      and adaptation!

      --
      - Angry Poodle
      - http://www.jussimononen.info/



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