Re: [scrumdevelopment] Re: New socialism?
- On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Roy Morien <roymorien@...> wrote:
The young junior girl who makes my morning coffee and does my photocopying is a hero to me ... because she makes great coffee, and does the photocopying promptly and efficiently. A job well done is a job well done, whatever the 'status' of the person doing it.
+1 for Roy.
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:32:09 -0300
Subject: Re: [scrumdevelopment] Re: New socialism?
Folks,Thanks for the discussion.My two points was:About having heroes or not. Well, by the discussions people convince me that heroes are not good. I thank for that.About socialism, I was trying to discuss if sometimes we are not focus too much in the TEAM and forgetting the INDIVIDUALS, and there's became the comparison with "that" socialism. I saw that many of you wrote about this, and yes, I believe that we are doing the right thing.As you know, since we are always sharing the agile, some people tends to understand it a little different. And that's why we need to focus in some things. For example, I meet a lot of people (programmers and also PM's) that had this visions: "Why we should focus only on team? So MY work will not be important?".This thread was very "hot". :) But produces some good texts for us.By the way, WIRED wrote an excelent text about their view of the "new socialism". Worth reading: http://www.wired.com/culture/culturereviews/magazine/17-06/nep_newsocialism
Flavio Steffens de Castro
A filosofia agile no dia-a-dia
Twitter: @flaviosteffensOn Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Jussi Mononen <jussi.mononen@...> wrote:Tim Eiler wrote:Hi,
> The main difference between socialism/communism and Agile methods is the
> concept of ownership. As the author Ayn Rand would say, communism and
> socialism are immoral, as the say that man should exist for “the state,”
> while man should only exist for himself. Agile gives individuals more
> ownership of their own destiny – in Agile, individuals choose to work
> together only because it helps all achieve more.
one could argue that Agile resembles a 'centrally planned economy' and
there is ownership shared between the workers which might put it close
to some definitions of socialism.They would transcend into.. communism! :-D
Marc Bless wrote:
> Imagine what would happen to the people of a socialist government if
> they started to surface impediments every other week.
> Karl Marx, the father of communist thought, posited that communism
> would be the final stage in society, which would be achieved through a
> proletarian revolution and only possible after a socialist stage
> develops the productive forces, leading to a superabundance of goods
> and services.
> "Pure communism" in the Marxian sense refers to a classless, stateless
> and oppression-free society where decisions on what to produce and
> what policies to pursue are made democratically, allowing every member
> of society to participate in the decision-making process in both the
> political and economic spheres of life."
(note, states usually referred as "communist states" were merely
totalitarian states or dictatorships)
That sounds familiar doesn't it :-) Ideologically communism has
attributes that can be found from agile too, but unlike communism in
agile we have collaborative ownership, meaning that *we* have the
responsibility. Thus, Agile is not communism.
I see Agile more like a small community like way of developing software
utilizing all the good that can be found from your immediaty proximity
by inspecting and adapting. Maybe agile is communism *after* inspection
- Angry Poodle
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