Re: [scrumdevelopment] Re: Scrum v. PMBoK
- Hi Mike,
> I'm part of another group that has been in discussions about writing aIf I understand you correctly then you take a 'them vs. us' approach.
> whitepaper comparing agile management techniques to the PMBOK. But, if I do
> that I can't link to the PMI on my site if I say any negative comments about
> the PMBOK. From what I can tell of them, I don't know what they'd consider a
> "negative or disparaging reference." It could be as little as "And one place
> where Scrum offers a tiny, tiny improvement over the PMBOK is..." Just say
> that and the PMI Police could be at my door.
What I read in the original posting was more 'us added to them'. Ie.
add the agile tools to the toolbox that's called PMBOK. Naive maybe.
- All of us interested in a PMI interface might find this worth reading.
It is a presentation done by
Koskela, Lauri & Howell, Greg at the
Proceedings of PMI Research Conference 2002 Ed. by Dennis P. Slevin, David I
Cleland, Jeffrey K. Pinto. Project Management Institute.
BTW MikeV. Does this help with your research? Do you have any other
articles from within the PMI archives that you could share on this topic?
Michael F. Dwyer
978 683 3439
From: Victor Szalvay [mailto:victor@...]
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 4:16 PM
Subject: [scrumdevelopment] Re: Scrum v. PMBoK
I'm not sure if this is still a relevant topic, but I read something
today that made me think of this thread.
If people are still pursuing the idea of creating a Scrum/Agile
extension to the PMBoK, there appears to be precident in the PMBoK
already for "adaptive" management methodologies: "Rolling Wave
Planning". I saw this Craig Larman's book "Agile & Iterative
Development: A Manager's Guide", pp. 253-258, where he references:
Githens, G. 1998. "Rolling Wave Project Planning", Proceedings on the
29th Annual Project Management Institute 1998 Seminars and Symposium.
Craig notes that it is often recommended in RFPs, etc., but is widely
misunderstood and disregarded in practice.
Anyway, disregard if this is old news, but it was eye-opening to me.
I didn't realize I was conforming and in-line with the PMBoK, some of
my customers will be happy about that :) BTW, I highly recommend
Craig's book, he takes a very "pragmatic" look at agile/iterative
dev, and true to his well-researched form, delivers an amazingly well
documented case for agile/iterative. Amazon: http://tinyurl.com/3hvtk
-- Victor Szalvay
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "xenomino" <xenomino@y...>
> In all of this discussion, I have yet to hear whether the Agileextension
> Community feels that SCRUM is a Project Management methodology. If
> the community does, there is a mechanism within PMI to create an
> extension to the PMBOK for new industries or methodologies. I
> wouldn't call it a SCRUM extension, as calling it an Agile
> would allow the inclusion of more agile methodologies. If this isTo Post a message, send it to: scrumdevelopment@...
> something we agree to doing, I'd be interested in helping put
> The benefits of this would be that the plan-driven pundits would be
> somewhat silenced with the creation of the PMBOK specifically for
> Agile projects. We (the agile camp) would be able to overcome the
> lack of a cost-management and detailed procurement management
> sections by simply including the PMBOK's by reference.
> Mike Van, PMP
> --- In email@example.com, Hubert Smits
> <hubert.smits@g...> wrote:
> > Hi Ken,
> > I'm shading cells in the sprint backlog (for future tasks), looks
> > a Gantt chart, similar results. Also provides some feedback on the
> > planning process that a team went through once all the tasks have
> > completed.
> > --Hubert
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