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RE: [scrumdevelopment] Scrum masters & stand ups

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  • Archer, Jonathan
    Hi Roy, I see what you re saying, and indeed Ron s original answer is exactly the type I might give myself to many questions of the form how should I do X?
    Message 1 of 6 , Nov 26, 2009
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      Hi Roy,


      I see what you’re saying, and indeed Ron’s original answer is exactly the type I might give myself to many questions of the form “how should I do X?” or “when should I do Y?” I’m a big advocate of continuous learning too and I think you make some sound points about the need for a mindset that is prepared to enquire about things independently rather than becoming depending on others. (Incidentally you sound like you might get some good future use out of http://lmgtfy.com/ if you’re frequently consulted with questions with answers which are but a google search away ;-)


      But I see “how have people found Z?” to be a different class of question that might have started an interesting discussion on shared experiences. I’m not looking for an answer about what I *should* do. I’m already onto what to do there and don’t really need help figuring that out. Just the topic piqued my curiosity as I was listening in via phone to a one of my teams daily stand ups and mulling over some feedback I’d gotten about how “we’re not really sure how our scrum master spends the day”…got me wondering twas all. I know I could have googled and probably found plenty of blog postings on this…but I was interested in something a bit more conversational is all.





      From: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roy Morien
      Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 2:28 AM
      To: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: RE: [scrumdevelopment] Scrum masters & stand ups



      At first glance, Ron's answer doesn't seem vey helpful ... with all respect to Ron.
      But frankly I think his answer is actually very important in its implication ... try learning that yourself!
      I am continually frustrated by what I see as my students' inability to learn efficiently and effectively, and their inability or disinterest in researching a topic. I find this ith many contacts I have on MSN. Frequently someone asks me Can you help me? What is such-and-such?  or they say I must learn about this-or-that, but I don't know where to find the information.
      Often I am able to be the instant expert by immediately 'googling' the subject, and there I have vast amounts of information about that particular topic. Often my contacts think I am just so terribly clever and knowledgeable.
      There is a saying about economic development that goes something like 'Give a man some fish and he will not be hungry for a day, but give hom some fish hooks and he will not be hungry for life' ... something like that anyway. The point being, as Ron has implied, that by giving the answer then that person knows about that particular thing a little, but has no way to find out more, or find out about anything else. So I tink a reasonable paraphrase of the economic wise saw is 'Give a man an answer, and he will have knowledge today, but give him the ability to learn and he will have knowledge for life'.
      I have often seen people ask questions here, particularly some who are obviously students at a college or university, ask such questions. They have done no research themselves, but just want the answer for today.
      This is just a comment on something that I think is very important, and it's relevance flows into the adoption of agile practices, where 'lifelong learning' is almost the mainstay of the development approach. If developers fail to learn from their experience, or have no idea how to learn more about their craft, then that is a big problem.
      Roy Morien

      To: scrumdevelopment@ yahoogroups. com
      From: ronjeffries@ acm.org
      Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:54:12 -0500
      Subject: Re: [scrumdevelopment] Scrum masters & stand ups


      Hello, Jonathan. On Wednesday, November 25, 2009, at 9:40:39 AM,
      you wrote:

      > Do folks find it beneficial or not for the scrum master to answer the
      > "three questions" type stuff at standups?

      Try it. See if YOU find it beneficial.

      Ron Jeffries
      www.XProgramming. com
      www.xprogramming. com/blog
      No one expects the Spanish Inquisition ...


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