- In that environment, a separate QA group might even get to play more than the developers. :) ... From: Clinton Keith [mailto:email@example.com] Sent:Message 1 of 49 , Aug 12, 2004View SourceIn that environment, a separate QA group might even get to "play" more than the developers. :)-----Original Message----------Original Message-----
From: Clinton Keith [mailto:ckeith@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 2:14 PM
Subject: RE: [scrumdevelopment] Re: Manage Self Organizing Teams
From: Lisa Crispin [mailto:lisa.crispin@...]
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Steven Gordon
> > - I do not like the idea of a separate QA team. I believe each
team should be responsibility for the quality of their work. If a
teams lacks the experience to do their own QA, put a person with QA
experience on the team. Everyone will learn more and thereby become
> I strongly agree! Testing should be a collaboration of various team
members - programmers, testers, business experts, and others as
appropriate. If the customer-facing testing is done separately,
that test time isn't represented in the team's velocity. In my
experience, this has a negative impact on your ability to deliver
working, tested code at the end of each sprint. I know some agile
teams make this approach work, but I think it generally leads to bad
things. Besides, it's not nearly as much fun for the testers, and
why shouldn't we get to play too?
In video game development we have to have a separate QA group and a QA programming team to support them. The QA process for VG development requires many professional testers that are not programmers. They are customers and we have a programmer QA team which prioritizes their requests and creates releases of the product that can pass various stages of Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo requirements.
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- Mike said, ... I can still vividly remember a conversation I had in 1987 with my boss at the time. It came to an end with the following statement from him,Message 49 of 49 , Aug 19, 2004View SourceMike said,
>3) nobody likes to be berated when asking a question, so answerI can still vividly remember a conversation I had in 1987 with my boss at
>questions politely, no matter how inane the question may be to you.
the time. It came to an end with the following statement from him, "Jesus!
I could have done it myself in time we've wasted talking about it".
You've got to figure, over the past 17 years I've worked with a lot of
jerks, and I can't remember many of them. That one, though, will probably
stick with me forever.
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