Re: [scrumdevelopment] Re: Scrum User Group Closes
- Hello, Beckfordp. On Saturday, May 2, 2009, at 4:13:02 PM, you
> If this is so, why not just publish the letter so we can allIt was published.
> decide for ourselves? On this forum would be a good place to
> start. I've followed the discussion and haven't found a reference
> to the actual letter in question anywhere.
> As for Kens contribution, I agree that he is entitled to his ownI'm sure he's grateful for your opinion, and for your assumption of
> personal opinion on events, but as a representative of the SA he
> would have been well advised just to have made a public apology
> and left it at that.
good motivation from all concerned.
> At best this is a PR fiasco for the SA. At worst it smells ofGeeze. Did they back over your dog, too?
> something pretty horrid.
> If Microsoft had sent such a letter to a volunteer user groupI wouldn't have. I read the letter.
> who chose to call themselves "The Orlando Microsoft User Group",
> we'd be up in arms and rightly so.
> I can't see any good reason why the SA would want to trademarkThere is a difference between "I can't see", and "it makes no
> any phrase that included the term "User Group".
> It makes no sense.
sense". So long as we can't see, it may be premature to assign
whether there is sense.
For me, XP ain't out there, it's in here. -- Bill Caputo
- Hi Mike& Tobias,
Using the word "team" I was writing a bit metaphorically. The proper word is of course community. In my experience, a community is the ultimate self organizing team -- because they are self motivated. Command and control does not work well with communities. If you try to do C&C, they rebel. Or they walk (otherwise known as forking the code in OSS circles). (OK there is the case 'benevolent dictator' - but the key word in benevolent!).
And when referring to someone "from the Scrum Alliance," I meant policy maker(s) of the Scrum Alliance. People who decide 'we need a contract with our user groups and here are the terms, please sign.' I do not recall anyone in that process requesting input from the community about the problem or how to solve it (but maybe I missed it - so please correct me if I am wrong).
I was on the board of the Swiss Open System User Group for many years. Every year we had an annual meeting. The board presented its budget and vision for the next year to the members, got approval for big projects, elected new directors, etc. If the board got out of touch with its members (and it was when I joined), membership declined, participation declined -- it lost energy. One of the first things we did to revitalize it was ensure that the the group had a forum (physical, not electronic) where people could meet and talk. In short, get close to the members.
How does the Scrum Alliance get close to its members? How does it respond to their needs? How do the members influence the direction of the Alliance? Does the board get elected? By whom and when? It seems that there is a lot that the Alliance could do to get closer to its members...
Mike Dwyer schrieb:
Me, myself and I are SA members too so counting tobias that makes 5 and I think Ken is, if he finally paid his dues so that make 8.
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From: Tobias Mayer
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 17:25:26 -0700
To: <scrumdevelopment@ yahoogroups. com>
Subject: Re: [scrumdevelopment] Re: Scrum User Group Closes
> As far as I can tell, hardly anyone from the Scrum Alliance really participates on this list.
I am a member of the Scrum Alliance, and I contribute to this list :-)
> the Scrum Alliance is remarkably distant from its team.
The people on this list are not a "team". Or did you mean something different?
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