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Re: [scrumdevelopment] Re: Scrum User Group Closes (Reopens immediately we hope)

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  • Ken Schwaber
    Darn, I almost succeeded. Definitely an uncalled for comment. Ken
    Message 1 of 93 , May 1, 2009
      Darn, I almost succeeded. Definitely an uncalled for comment.

      On Apr 30, 2009, at 10:38 PM, Cory Foy wrote:

      Hi Ken,

      --- In scrumdevelopment@ yahoogroups. com, Ken Schwaber <ken.schwaber@ ...> wrote:
      > Everyone may want to take a deep breath. Whatever is going on here is 
      > not based on anything to be concerned with. The ScrumAlliance does not 
      > want to restrict user groups. User groups actually have nothing to do 
      > with the ScrumAlliance, except that if they list themselves with the 
      > ScrumAlliance I know who to contact. I've recently contacted user 
      > groups in Poland, Dallas, and Phoenix so I could do presentations 
      > during their meetings. The intention of registration is so the user 
      > group can be provisioned, not restricted. Everyone makes mistakes, and 
      > email is the worst possible way to rectify them, since everyone 
      > projects their worst fears.

      The implication from the document that was sent out was that the term "Scrum User Group" was listed as a Trademark, and as such, that the SA wanted to limit the use of it. So while the SA didn't want to restrict the user groups, they didn't give much option just based on what was sent out other than renaming the group.

      I agree that email (and, by extension, mailing lists) are not the best way to rectify. However, this conversation has led to Jim and I being able to contact each other and find a way that is mutually beneficial to both the SA and the needs of the community and UG leaders. So I'd consider it worth it. And really, I found the group to be rather civilized, which was nice to see.

      > If the Orlando user group disbanded itself, I suspect there wasn't 
      > much there in the first place,

      Ok, well, almost civilized. I guess it's not a conversation without at least one uncalled for comment. Oh well.

      Cory Foy
      http://www.cornetde sign.com
      http://www.agileflo rida.com

    • Peter Stevens (calendar)
      Hi Mike& Tobias, Using the word team I was writing a bit metaphorically. The proper word is of course community. In my experience, a community is the
      Message 93 of 93 , May 6, 2009
        Hi Mike& Tobias,

        Using the word "team" I was writing a bit metaphorically. The proper word is of course community. In my experience, a community is the ultimate self organizing team -- because they are self motivated.  Command and control does not work well with communities. If you try to do C&C, they rebel. Or they walk (otherwise known as forking the code in OSS circles). (OK there is the case 'benevolent dictator' - but the key word in benevolent!).

        And when referring to someone "from the Scrum Alliance," I meant policy maker(s) of the Scrum Alliance. People who decide 'we need a contract with our user groups and here are the terms, please sign.' I do not recall anyone in that process requesting input from the community about the problem or how to solve it (but maybe I missed it - so please correct me if I am wrong).

        I was on the board of the Swiss Open System User Group for many years. Every year we had an annual meeting. The board presented its budget and vision for the next year to the members, got approval for big projects, elected new directors, etc. If the board got out of touch with its members (and it was when I joined), membership declined, participation declined -- it lost energy. One of the first things we did to revitalize it was ensure that the the group had a forum (physical, not electronic) where people could meet and talk. In short, get close to the members.

        How does the Scrum Alliance get close to its members? How does it respond to their needs? How do the members influence the direction of the Alliance? Does the board get elected? By whom and when? It seems that there is a lot that the Alliance could do to get closer to its members...



        Mike Dwyer schrieb:

        Me, myself and I are SA members too so counting tobias that makes 5 and I think Ken is, if he finally paid his dues so that make 8.

        Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

        From: Tobias Mayer
        Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 17:25:26 -0700
        To: <scrumdevelopment@ yahoogroups. com>
        Subject: Re: [scrumdevelopment] Re: Scrum User Group Closes

        Hi Peter

        As far as I can tell, hardly anyone from the Scrum Alliance really participates on this list.
        I am a member of the Scrum Alliance, and I contribute to this list :-)

        the Scrum Alliance is remarkably distant from its team.
        The people on this list are not a "team".  Or did you mean something different?


        Peter Stevens, CSM, CSP
        Ken Schwaber CSM Training in Zürich: www.tinyurl.com/Ken-in-ZH
        tel: +41 44 586 6450 
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