Re: [scrumdevelopment] Re: Backlog of technical tasks?
- Really an interesting question....First of all, let's be careful with HOW we pose this concept. By saying that the teams have to pay down the technical debt, it almost sounds like we're blaming the teams for creating the technical debt in the first place. As far as your scenarios and the implementation planning, you'll generally find that the creation and "grooming" of the product backlog has to occur pretty early in the implementation of Scrum. The first step is to build the product backlog from everything you need to do to the product. Technical debt needs to be part of that backlog and should be prioritized along with everything else.If the technical debt is "large"...well, that's one of those hard things that we have to recognize during the implementation of Scrum (though I doubt it's really a surprise). Whether there's a little or a lot, your POs will need to work with your architects and/or technical leads to evaluate the technical debt and prioritize it properly. If there's a lot, you may also need to start talking about contingency plans if getting the technical debt done might delay other project deadlines or, conversely, you can't resolve the technical debt fast enough, and a technical dead-end may be headed your way.Bottom line -- technical debt is no different than anything else on the backlog. Don't treat it like a second class citizen -- it's always going to be there and everyone should get used to it being there.Jim SchielCST, Danube Technologies, Inc.On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 10:24 PM, MacKilby <mckilby@...> wrote:
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Stephen Bobick"
> If the organization ignores the Team repeatedly - a Team who predicts
> failure if they aren't listened to regarding technical debt and an
> unmaintable code base, and the organization drives the Team over a
> well, why not point that out?
> -- Stephen
I'd like to toss in a slightly different scenario. What if the team
negotiated a "payment plan" to pay down the technical debt with the
PO? (This would be on a per team basis and I think this was suggested
earlier). In other words, the PO agrees to take on a certain amount
of technical debt per sprint as backlog items until the debt was below
Now a slightly different scenario... if this is an organization-wide
rollout of agile processes and the organization realized that it had
large technical debt across all its projects, what would be the
implications of mandating the "payment plan" of technical debt across
the organization? If this seems feasible, when in the agile adoption
process should this be introduced?
- --- In email@example.com, "Jeppe N. Madsen" <jeppe@...> wrote:
> I've been skeptical about putting technical tasks on the backlog forYes, and there's really no contradiction between these
> many of the same reasons listed in this thread. I think we should
> make "the world a better place" one step at a time, by refactoring the
> code as it's touched due to new requirements.
approaches once we see the Sprint Planning Meeting
as a good faith negotiation.
Normal technical debt should be paid off through
the definition of "done" for product feature stories.
Things like this might include refactoring away
duplicate code, complex conditional logic, long
modules, nested "catch" blocks, poorly named
methods and classes, normal database schema
changes, normal upgrades to third-party
> If there really are technical debt that hindersYes, when progress on multiple fronts is impeded
> progress, this is an impediment.
by severe fundamental underlying debt issues
(often at the infrastructure level, like platform
changes, major database changes, major library
changes) it may be useful for the team to make
it visible in the product backlog as a step toward
breaking the repayment work into manageable
pieces. Anyone can add items to the Product
Of course we still expect some feature delivery