Certification is also important in large enterprises. You have to
have some way of demonstrating a level of knowledge - As we have seen
in the UK with PRINCE2 etc. I can personally vouch that Scrum's
certification programme has got it into a MAJOR multinational that
I've worked with - and a large factor of that was the certification
and how that enables the company to demonstrate some level of
proficiancy. (To the company itself, to each other's colleagues and
Now, some people seem to think the Certified Scrum Master course is
more than it is. It is the first (fantastic, if I do say so myself)
step on the way, but only the first. It gives people good knowledge
of the techniques, experiences of the Trainer and (more importantly)
the culture change behind the shift to being Agile.
From there, in terms of the ScrumAlliance, there is far more
intensive and complex steps to demonstrate proficiancy and to gain
higher level certification if you wish to take it further. The CSP,
CSC and even the CST programmes are there for such people if they
I never understand why people get hung up on certification. My
university degree got me my first job, but my personal abilities kept
me in it. It's the same thing with certifications and qualifications.
Certified Scrum Trainer
P.S I realise I have just paraphrased Nick - I guess it was so
important it was worth saying twice. :-)
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org
, Nicholas Cancelliere
> People need to understand what is behind a certification. (What
> you being certified for??)
> CSM means you went to the 2-day Scrum course and was introduced to
> new way of thinking about projects.
> CSP means you have been actively putting into practice Scrum on a
> project(s) for over a year
> CST means you know enough of what you're doing and have the
> of your peers to teach/certify others in Scrum
> Just like a PMP means you passed an exam and have x hrs of
> managing projects ... it doesn't mean you're good at managing
> projects. Neither does the CSM, CSP or CST mean you're good at
> -- but if you had to place bets on an individuals, you're more
> to put your money on someone with a CS-something.
> On Jan 2, 2008, at 11:59 AM, Fonda Gill wrote:
> > --- In email@example.com, "alfaro.david"
> > <alfaro.david@> wrote:
> >> Hi everybody!!
> >> I am a serious Scrum follower and a ScrumMaster. I have one
> >> using the Scrum process in the company I work for and I am
> >> the Scrum training in Costa Rica (http://agilenature.com/blog).
> >> I am doing a little research to blog about the Agile
> > Certification
> >> in general and I just ran across this link:
> >> http://www.agilecertificationnow.com/not-so-fast.html
> >> Your opinions about it would be enriching. Of course I have my
> > own
> >> opinion about it, but be free to let me now what do you think.
> > This is an interesting article, and I found it even more
> > since I do have a CSM. I guess there may be some validity to the
> > arguement presented, but if I were to consider the accuracy of the
> > statements, I would then have to question other certifications I
> > received, such as my PMP. Maybe my other educational
> > would also ned to be put to the test, such as my MBA or MPM or
> > my Bachelors.....
> > Having completed a 4 year or 2 year body of knowledge does not
> > necessarily guarantee an employer anything. Having a PMP also
> > not necessarily gurarante that one has the 'right' experience or
> > skills set to be an effective project manager. I agree that the
> > standards for the application process are much more stringent and
> > based upon having completed x amount of hours in various areas of
> > project management, but who is to say that the experience gained
> > involved 'the best practices' of project management. Quantity
> > not always translate to quality.
> > I would argue that having a foundation in project management,
> > followed by completing the 2 day CSM training/certification
> > invaluable insight into the agile/SCRUM process. I compared it to
> > being a doctor who is trained in general surgery, then taking a
> > or two day class on tummy tucks.... and subsequently declaring
> > herself qualified to perform the procedure, without any prior
> > experience and without the benefit of being a Board Certified
> > Surgeon.
> > Essentially, what I am attempting to communicate is that the CSM
> > certification is not a 'bad thing'. It should be considered as a
> > milestone in the introductory phase of the agile/SCRUM approach,
> > combined with the individual's foundation.....which does not
> > necessarily have to be agile/SCRUM-based NOR necessarily include
> > having completed actual SCRUM projects.
> > The CSM signifies completion of the theory and should be
> > icing on top of the cake of the individual's foundation.
> > someone fresh out of high school or college who completes a CSM is
> > another matter, because the certification alone, as with any other
> > certification, does not necessarily qualify an individual for an
> > employer.
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> Nicholas Cancelliere, CSM/CSP
> Austin, TX
> Certified Scrum Practitioner
> Certified Scrum Master
> Over 10 years of web application development experience and an