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  • pierre.j.drouin@gsk.com
    How do one estimate a project for funding when using the SCRUM process approach? Thanks, Pierre Drouin Project Manager / Chef de projets Project Office /
    Message 1 of 7 , Jul 27 10:40 AM
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      How do one estimate a project for funding when using the SCRUM process
      approach?

      Thanks,

      Pierre Drouin
      Project Manager / Chef de projets
      Project Office / Bureau de projets
      Information Technology / Technologie de l'information
      GlaxoSmithKline, Canada
      Internet: Pierre.J.Drouin@...
      www.gsk.ca
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      "The first step in managing projects well is to pick the right project. No
      matter how well you manage it, if it is the wrong project, it is bound to
      fail."

      "The second step in managing project well is to keep its management process
      relevant to what you are doing and as simple as possible."
    • Ron Jeffries
      ... I would create a backlog of features that were as small as possible, estimate each feature, add them up, and multiply by 3. If I had a team that was
      Message 2 of 7 , Jul 27 11:05 AM
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        On Sunday, July 27, 2003, at 1:40:46 PM, pierre.j.drouin@... wrote:

        > How do one estimate a project for funding when using the SCRUM process
        > approach?

        I would create a backlog of features that were as small as possible,
        estimate each feature, add them up, and multiply by 3. If I had a team that
        was experienced in estimating, I might drop the multiplication.

        Ron Jeffries
        www.XProgramming.com
        You don't need to see my identification.
        These aren't the ideas you're looking for. Move along.
      • Ken Schwaber
        Subject covered in detail in Certified ScrumMaster courses. ... From: Ron Jeffries [mailto:ronjeffries@acm.org] Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 2:05 PM To:
        Message 3 of 7 , Jul 28 8:51 AM
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          Subject covered in detail in Certified ScrumMaster courses.


          -----Original Message-----
          From: Ron Jeffries [mailto:ronjeffries@...]
          Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 2:05 PM
          To: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [scrumdevelopment] The SCRUM process and Budget estimation
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          On Sunday, July 27, 2003, at 1:40:46 PM, pierre.j.drouin@... wrote:

          > How do one estimate a project for funding when using the SCRUM process
          > approach?

          I would create a backlog of features that were as small as possible,
          estimate each feature, add them up, and multiply by 3. If I had a team that
          was experienced in estimating, I might drop the multiplication.

          Ron Jeffries
          www.XProgramming.com
          You don't need to see my identification.
          These aren't the ideas you're looking for. Move along.



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        • pierre.j.drouin@gsk.com
          To be able to go on the Scrum training, hopefully later this year in Montreal, that is one of the question I will need to answer my Director and VP. 1- Is
          Message 4 of 7 , Jul 28 10:33 AM
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            To be able to go on the Scrum training, hopefully later this year in
            Montreal, that is one of the question I will need to answer my Director and
            VP.

            1- Is there a place where I can get the answer to that question?
            2- Is there a summary (1 to 2 pages) article somewhere that describes the
            Scrum process for executives?

            BTW, I have just ordered "Agile Software Development with Scrum." Will I
            find most of my answers there??

            Thanks,

            Pierre Drouin
            Project Manager / Chef de projets
            Project Office / Bureau de projets
            Information Technology / Technologie de l'information
            GlaxoSmithKline, Canada
            Internet: Pierre.J.Drouin@...
            www.gsk.ca
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            "The first step in managing projects well is to pick the right project. No
            matter how well you manage it, if it is the wrong project, it is bound to
            fail."

            "The second step in managing project well is to keep its management process
            relevant to what you are doing and as simple as possible."



            "Ken Schwaber"
            <ken.schwaber@verizon
            .net>
            To: scrumdevelopment

            28-Jul-2003 11:51 cc:
            Please respond to Subject: RE: [scrumdevelopment] The SCRUM process and Budget estimation ?
            scrumdevelopment@yaho
            ogroups.com





            Subject covered in detail in Certified ScrumMaster courses.


            -----Original Message-----
            From: Ron Jeffries [mailto:ronjeffries@...]
            Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 2:05 PM
            To: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [scrumdevelopment] The SCRUM process and Budget estimation
            ?


            On Sunday, July 27, 2003, at 1:40:46 PM, pierre.j.drouin@... wrote:

            > How do one estimate a project for funding when using the SCRUM process
            > approach?

            I would create a backlog of features that were as small as possible,
            estimate each feature, add them up, and multiply by 3. If I had a team that
            was experienced in estimating, I might drop the multiplication.

            Ron Jeffries
            www.XProgramming.com
            You don't need to see my identification.
            These aren't the ideas you're looking for. Move along.



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          • Bryan Zarnett
            ... It is included in the Scrum methodology available in the course. As well, we hope to have additional material available in the future on the Scrum Alliance
            Message 5 of 7 , Jul 28 10:54 AM
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              On Monday, July 28, 2003, at 01:33PM, <pierre.j.drouin@...> wrote:

              >1- Is there a place where I can get the answer to that question?

              It is included in the Scrum methodology available in the course. As well, we hope to have additional material available in the future on the Scrum Alliance website (www.scrumalliance.org)

              >2- Is there a summary (1 to 2 pages) article somewhere that describes the
              >Scrum process for executives?

              Please go to the Scrum Alliance website at www.scrumalliance.org and have a read of the articles under 'Getting Started'. These are nice generalized articles that explore terminology, philosophy, and the general approach. There are several good articles in the 'articles' section of the Scrum Alliance website but they are not all Executive-level-summary easy reading.

              An 'Executive overview of Scrum' is one of the documents to come from the Scrum alliance in the near future.

              Cheers,
              Bryan
            • Deb
              ... describes the ... Hi, Pierre! You could try the library at AgileAlliance: http://www.agilealliance.org/articles/index Try subjects Stakeholders ,
              Message 6 of 7 , Jul 28 8:32 PM
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                --- In scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com, <pierre.j.drouin@g...> wrote:
                > 1- Is there a place where I can get the answer to that question?
                > 2- Is there a summary (1 to 2 pages) article somewhere that
                describes the
                > Scrum process for executives?

                Hi, Pierre!

                You could try the library at AgileAlliance:
                http://www.agilealliance.org/articles/index

                Try subjects "Stakeholders", "Introducing Agile", and "Big Design Up
                Front". Maybe you'll spot other interesting topics, too. The issue is
                finding ways to talk about Scrum's strengths that resonate with your
                stakeholders, right? They're not idiots - they know nothing ever
                comes in on-time AND on-budget AND 100%-scope... it might be a breath
                of fresh air to tell them that Scrum addresses that up front,
                realistically.

                And I concur... one way to handle change after the contract is made
                is to swap features. Some teams give their feature "points" instead
                of hours in the backlog - you could swap based on either points or
                hours. This way, the user is in control, and ALWAYS gets their
                highest priority features even though they did not think of them up
                front, and the project is still on time. Amazing! This could be a
                good selling point, no? It could take some of the stress and fear out
                of the process for your client.

                bonne journee
                deb

                (I miss Montreal too. Good food on every corner! mmmm :-)
              • Scott Worley
                Hi Pierre, I am currently back in Montreal for the next 2 weeks, if you would like I am available for chat and coffee (I am on a holiday before I go back to
                Message 7 of 7 , Jul 29 1:54 AM
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                  Hi Pierre,

                   

                  I am currently back in Montreal for the next 2 weeks, if you would like I am available for chat and coffee (I am on a holiday before I go back to the day job in China , oh to be based in Montreal once again)

                   

                  Scott Worley

                    I Evangelist - (Scrum, Agile methodologies/Management and . NET Technologies)

                    Author: Inside ASP. NET , and others…

                    CTO : IT Resources (Beijing/Shanghai) www.it-r.net

                    email: worleys@...

                   


                  From: pierre.j.drouin@... [mailto:pierre.j.drouin@...]
                  Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 10:34 AM
                  To: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com

                   

                  To be able to go on the Scrum training, hopefully later this year in
                  Montreal, that is one of the question I will need to answer my Director and
                  VP.

                  1- Is there a place where I can get the answer to that question?
                  2- Is there a summary (1 to 2 pages) article somewhere that describes the
                  Scrum process for executives?

                  BTW, I have just ordered "Agile Software Development with Scrum." Will I
                  find most of my answers there??

                  Thanks,

                  Pierre Drouin
                  Project Manager / Chef de projets
                  Project Office / Bureau de projets
                  Information Technology / Technologie de l'information
                  GlaxoSmithKline, Canada
                  Internet: Pierre.J.Drouin@...
                                www.gsk.ca
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                  "The first step in managing projects well is to pick the right project. No
                  matter how well you manage it, if it is the wrong project, it is bound to
                  fail."

                  "The second step in managing project well is to keep its management process
                  relevant to what you are doing and as simple as possible."


                                                                                                                                                            
                                        "Ken Schwaber"                                                                                                      
                                        <ken.schwaber@verizon                                                                                               
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                                        28-Jul-2003 11:51            cc:                                                                                    
                                        Please respond to            Subject: RE: [scrumdevelopment] The SCRUM process and Budget estimation ?              
                                        scrumdevelopment@yaho                                                                                               
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                  Subject covered in detail in Certified ScrumMaster courses.


                  -----Original Message-----
                  From: Ron Jeffries [mailto:ronjeffries@...]
                  Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 2:05 PM
                  To: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: Re: [scrumdevelopment] The SCRUM process and Budget estimation
                  ?


                  On Sunday, July 27, 2003, at 1:40:46 PM, pierre.j.drouin@... wrote:

                  > How do one estimate a project for funding when using the SCRUM process
                  > approach?

                  I would create a backlog of features that were as small as possible,
                  estimate each feature, add them up, and multiply by 3. If I had a team that
                  was experienced in estimating, I might drop the multiplication.

                  Ron Jeffries
                  www.XProgramming.com
                  You don't need to see my identification.
                  These aren't the ideas you're looking for. Move along.



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