Re: [XP] Agile 2.0
- Hello, Marco,
On Saturday, July 29, 2006, at 6:45:04 AM, you wrote:
> Please tell me it's a joke. Scott W. Ambler has published some very
> interesting data related to a surveys done via Dr. Dobb's Journal.
> Questions, raw data and summary can be found at
It's certainly not a joke, and I see the results as generally very
favorable toward Agile, especially XP and Scrum.
> In the last slide of the summary presentation (ppt) I read: "There was a
> statistical correlation between adoption of "Agile 2.0" methods such as
> Agile Unified Process (AUP) or MSF Agile and adoption of Agile Model
> Driven Development (AMDD)"
Well, there was apparently a correlation. About 5 percent of
respondents reported using those, um, approaches. How many were used
together isn't clear from what we seen in the data now.
> Please please please can we try to avoid such a thing as Agile 2.0? And
> who says that AUP and MSF Agile are Agile 2.0? what do we/you/they mean by
> Agile 2.0? I still am not sure AUP and MSF Agile are "Agile 1.0"...
Yes. Scott has been pushing his approach hard, in every conceivable
forum. It has achieved some penetration. I would be very interested
to see the correlation between the various methods and the levels of
satisfaction, quality, and so on. Perhaps the upcoming article[s]
will address that.
The notion of "Agile 2.0" is, in my opinion, odious in the
"extreme". There are a lot of people out there pushing Agile, there
are lots of training courses, lots of consultants, lots of new
entrants into the market, many of whom cannot trace their
participation to anyone in the original Agile lineage. That troubles
me a bit.
I continue to see individuals and organizations saying that they're
Agile without even getting close to what "Agile 1.0" suggests.
Adding more modeling, and adding more process elements, will not
improve this situation. People ought to learn to do Agile 1.0 before
worrying much about what's next. There's plenty there to learn.
It's all part of "crossing the chasm", I reckon. Everything gets
Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people
always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can
become great." -- Mark Twain.
- Hello Eb,
Thank you for your email. On Wednesday, August 9, 2006, at 5:06:12
PM, you wrote:
> Courses may not be for you - after all you give 'em, and I guessWell, my point really is that I think courses don't make anyone
> you've given so many maybe it feels like they don't have the impact
> you once hoped they would? Though I'd wager that they are helpful for
> those of us in need of some guidance. I did a CSM last October and it
> was the beginning of really exciting journey for me, so far it's led
> me here (amongst other places)...
Agile. All they do -- and this certainly has value -- is offer ideas
which people might try. As you say ... the course is the beginning
of a journey. But it's the journey that matters.
Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future. -- Niels Bohr