RE: [scrumdevelopment] Re: Do you count weekends in your burn down chart?
> Victor, I heartily agree. The team knows why the curve is as it is.Yes. And sometime someone needs to know when something might be done, or
whether some deadline can be made.
The team, knowing why the curce looks the way it does, is in the best
position to guess on how it will continue, and therefore to provide a trend
line - not only based on the graph history, but also on their interpretation
of the graph.
> Furthermore, as soon as there is a nice tidy line on theYour managers must be different from mine. Mine understand that the line is
> naturally irregular burndown, managers think the team is
> deviating from some ideal... wrong, wrong, wrong!
just a projection. And the developers understand that the managers need the
data to manage, and that getting better at providing an as realistic
trendline as possible is a valuable skill to learn by practicing it.
> But it'sI disagree. The ideal certainly exist - as an ideal. Deviation from the
> human nature to see the jagged line as some kind of deviation
> from an "ideal" sprint (which does NOT exist! otherwise we wouldn't
> need Agile!).
ideal is natural - but observing and analyzing it is also an opportunity to
learn and get better.
> The burndown, like a story card, should be consideredVery true. As should the trend line. If you do that, I don't see the harm
> incomplete without the conversation that puts it in context.
you seem to see - I see a lot of value.
- I do not unless your team is planning on working weekends all the time, and lets hope not! :-)-Nick----- Original Message -----From: Ilja PreussSent: Friday, June 02, 2006 1:13 AMSubject: RE: [scrumdevelopment] Re: Do you count weekends in your burn down chart?> Ron,
> I hope your question is rhetorical because clearly I can't
> answer something in a yahoo group posting that you've not
> been able to achieve in 2 years of work.
I didn't see anything in Ron's post suggesting that he wasn't able to help
> I agree this is a problem and I see it often myself. I don't
> think dumping additional metrics on top of the sprint
> burndown is going to solve this problem though.
Well, yes - just dumping it on the sprint burndown is probably not the most
effective way to use a trendline; it's certainly nothing I would suggest to
Take care, Ilja
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