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Re: [scrumdevelopment] Re: Scrum Ownership

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  • Steven Gordon
    ... These permissible things that people do with Scrum, XP, or Agile are not improvements . These variations are simply adaptations to a particular context
    Message 1 of 99 , Apr 3, 2006
      On 4/3/06, Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...> wrote:
      On Sunday, April 2, 2006, at 8:52:32 PM, mike.dwyer1@... wrote:

      > Is that the issue Ron - bigger, smaller, right, different, wrong?

      Not "the". Might be "an".

      > I come back to the fact that once we implement scrum it ends up being the team's and then the
      > organization.  Like you said you've never seen an xP or a scrum that was the whole encheliada.
      > Maybe that is the answer for you it isn't for them it is.  OK so what, well that means that the
      > ideal doesn't exist and no matter how we try to 'save' Agile from the Aliens it ends up the
      > people's ability to use it, accept it and most of all approve it.

      If whatever people do is OK, why was Scrum ever written about?

      If Scrum and Agile and what has already been said about them is
      perfect, why isn't everyone doing things that way already, with
      great success?

      If people and Agile ideas can be improved, why would interested
      folks not come together to do so?

      Ron Jeffries
      Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.  -- Picasso
      These permissible things that people do with Scrum, XP, or Agile are not "improvements".
      These variations are simply adaptations to a particular context (organizational goals and constraints).  In many cases, some of the simplicity of agile gets lost in these adaptations.  You cannot fight every battle with an organization from square one, so sometimes a lost simplicity was a pragmatic tradeoff to gain traction or compromise to gain agreement on other practices.  I believe these compromises are a permissible way to get started.
      Once success is rampantly apparent to the organization, it is time to revisit all lost simplicities to see if the politcal capital has been acquired to regain them.  Publishing an adaptation as an "improvement" is an indication that compromises to barely sufficient simplicity are not being revisited agressively enough.
      Steven Gordon
    • mike.dwyer1@comcast.net
      Dave: WOW What a huge difference from your posts a year ago. You really need to tell us more about how you got to the point the customer capacity to absorb
      Message 99 of 99 , Apr 4, 2006
        WOW  What a huge difference from your posts a year ago.  You really need to tell us more about how you got to the point the customer capacity to absorb DONE was saturated.
        Perseverance is not a long race; it is many short races one after another. ~Walter Elliott, The Spiritual Life

        The greatest oak was once a little nut who held its ground. ~Author Unknown
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        From: David A Barrett <dave.barrett@...>

        > >I think someone else said that Scrum is a path, not a destination. I
        > >agree with that.
        > I agree too. With regards to "cookie-cutter" solutions, I highly doubt
        > that there are going to be any to be found for anyone.
        > Personally, I think that one of the key strengths of Scrum is that it is so
        > simple it is easy to make the adaptations that will make if a good fit for
        > a particular situation. I think that above all we need to hold on to that
        > simplicity, and continue to regard our adaptations as simply that;
        > adaptations and not improvements or evolements.
        > I've noticed that some of the people on the list have concentrated on
        > squeezing every last ounce of productivity out of a development team.
        > They've made adaptations that seek to reduce the downtime between Sprints,
        > and to strip out all extraneous distractions from the developers and to
        > deliver as much new functionality as quickly as possible. I'm sure this
        > makes sense within their situations, and I'm sure it seems natural to them
        > to assume that these same goals would be universal. From there, I have no
        > doubt it becomes easy for them to view their adaptations as the natural
        > "evolution" of Scrum.
        > Personally, I wonder what such a pace does to the developers over the long
        > haul. Where's the line between an exhilarating, rewarding and successful
        > environment and a sweat shop?
        > As a contrast, I noticed that Scrum is really good at choking off
        > development when required. A lot of customers aren't able to cope with a
        > virtual firehose of new functionality aimed a them. Around here, we're at
        > one of those points with one of our projects. We've almost completed an
        > early stage of development, and the customer is going to need some time to
        > experiment with the software, find out what works and what doesn't, plan
        > training for their staff, train their staff, implement the new software and
        > evaluate how it's going to change their world. I should add that this new
        > software represents a potentially enormous change to them, and the way that
        > they do their jobs.
        > In the meantime, they might want a couple of tweaks to what we've done, but
        > they can't tell us what the next step should be. We, the developers, can't
        > tell either and any work that we might do before we find out stands a very
        > good chance of being useless, unwanted or just plain wrong. Scrum handles
        > this. Nothing on the PB for this project bubbles up to a high enough
        > priority to make a Sprint Backlog. While we wait, we point the
        > functionality firehose at another customer.
        > My point on that is that we're all looking for something different.
        > Vanilla, out of the box Scrum provides a good starting place to achieve a
        > large range of different goals. Maybe Scrum needs someone like Ken to
        > remind us when we're getting caught up in our own situations and losing
        > track of larger world of software development.
        > Dave Barrett,
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