Re: [scrumdevelopment] Is a QA Engineer necessary on a small team?
- Mark Striebeck wrote:
> For a team of this size, I would add a QA person. But not a QA personDon't you think it matters what kind of product you have?
> in the more traditional sense (aka black box tester who writes long
> test docs and clicks manually through the app and files bugs).
If it's a compiler or a math library then it's potentially completely
Many other products have a much more complicated setup and measurement
process that really needs a dedicated person. Testing network failover,
replication, load, and error scenarios takes a lot of configuration. You
may need to hookup HP test gear to check packet drops and inject
failures. And so on. It would be a rare company that would have this
many test setups around that would allow full hands off automation. This
is pretty much a full time job where I've been.
- Steven Gordon wrote:
> On 2/7/06, David H. <dmalloc@...> wrote:I know :)
>> I do agree that people need to realise that most quality issues originate
>> higher up. Most of the time when the requirements are gathered.
> In Scrum, when are the requirements "gathered"? Who participates? It's not
> like a waterfall process where we can go blame some analyst.
But that is exactly my point. When all of the people refuse to work together,
customer, business unit, analysis, the quality of the product will suffer.
Often enough some software department has to deal with developing software for
a domain they know nothing about. Yet there is no insider they are allowed to
talk to. Now what will that do to Quality ?
> It would be a process smell if the team depended on the QA person to ask theActually I was more thinking that the QA person is there to kick off the
> difficult questions while all the developers just sat there daydreaming
> about how they were going to code it.
important act of questioning yourself. I do look at this from a more
philosophical point of view than a technical one. Everyone can be the QA
person in a team and I hope that all of us have a QA person in us. I know that
I do QA aspects whenever I am Scrum Master for a project. However it helps
when someone steps up and states. "Yepp I will have an eye on it, maybe more
so than others"
> If the developers cannot ask the right questions, the solution is not toYes, see above, I do believe we agree here.
> depend on somebody else to ask them, but to integrate somebody into the
> team who can show them how.
> Integrating that person into the team wouldOnce more, yes, yes, yes :)
> mean they do not do all the QA work and they do not just do QA work. If you
> do not integrate that person, then the cross-training will be much less