Re: [scrumdevelopment] Deep Trust
- Hi Michael,
At 16:14 03.01.2006, you wrote:
>Tobias, thanks for introducing this thread. I think it hasIt's worth a lot! I know exactly the feeling you describe. The
>everything to do with Scrum.
>Joseph, thanks for adding some very interesting observations and
>suggestions. I basically agree with you about trust being like a
>bank account and developing over time. However, I have add a few
>experiences where trust is immediate, even within a group of people
>who don't know each other (this was not an Agile team). I have been
>part of a group that developed an almost immediate (within an hour),
>very deep level of intimacy and trust. This was mainly because of
>how the facilitator/teacher (Max Schupbach) lead the session. He was
>trained by Arnold Mindell in process work. As I understand his
>method, it basically had to do with the level at which Max
>acknowledged the reality that was going on in the room moment to
>moment, both within his own consciousness and by "feeling into the
>space." In a sense it was simply dealing with the truth, but it was
>at a much deeper level than I have seen a ScrumMaster (including myself) work.
>The group was not ongoing, so I can't say how it would develop over time.
>For what it's worth......
psychologist I often work with (Ben Fuchs) also studied with Mindell,
so it's not a surprise that the ideas are similar. He's taught me
many techniques that enable me to work at the much deeper level you
describe, although I'll never be as good as he is.
<shameless plug>As a matter of fact, Ben and I are currently working
on, and will soon be offering a course on team-building, conflict
resolution and social complexity for ScrumMasters.</shameless plug>
Joseph Pelrine [ | ]
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- Hi Ron,
I'm glad you found my post stimulating. See comments:
--- In email@example.com, Ron Jeffries
> On Friday, January 6, 2006, at 1:53:31 AM, Paul Beckford wrote:
> > I mentioned two value thinking in my last post. The words fear and
> > have been mentioned several times, there are alternatives. For exampleJust a
> > discernment, neither fear or trust or judgement for that matter.
> > calm acceptence of what is and what is known, without judgement orfear
> > or unquestioning trust.Yes, the term judgement has a conitation that implies coming to a
> Very interesting point, Paul. I often recognize fear in team
> situations, and have had the habit of referring to it by that term.
> I generally try to replace fear with what Beck called "courage" in
> the XP values, which I take to be a bit stronger than mere
> acceptance, in that it is founded in readiness and preparation for
> the situation.
> Like you, I do not see trust as the necessary "replacement" for
> fear, or even as a desirable one.
> Judgment is a term that troubles some people, as they see judging as
> somehow bad. I myself do not, seeing it more as an ongoing process
> of observing and sorting out reality.
quick decision without obtaining all the facts. For example in the
sentence "Don't judge me, after all you don't know me". In this sense
then judgement can imply two value thinking, viewing the world in
black and white and omitting the possibility of grey. I understand how
you use the term judgement and I tend to agree. Using the term
"discernment" can avoid the negative conitations associated with the
>Yes, those sents are cultural I believe. In the West any talk of
> Your use of the term "discernment" is interesting, and I would say
> that by my understanding of the word, it feels right for the
> replacement of either trust or fear with a better state.
> Unfortunately (in my view) the term has become imbued with religious
> connotations that trouble me a bit with respect to its potential use
> in team situations.
> My plan is to try to ignore those scents and experiment with using
> the term. I think it better expresses some of my thinking than
> whatever words I have been using in the past.
spirituality or spiritual teaching is quickly related to Religion and
I guess it's got to do with our Judo-Christian heritage. In some
cultures spiritual ideas are not related to religion at all. For
example I'm sure that native Americans would refer to these ideas as
> So thanks!
> > How do we get to this state? Well to be free of fear implies inner
>Yes, I'm sure there are other ways. The ones I know about all tend to
> Is inner peace the only way to be free of fear? I would think not.
> It's a good way, though.
be related. For example it is difficult to achieve a sense of inner
peace, without some degree of inner strength (or courage as you would
I'm glad you found this useful. There are more gems of wisdom on the
Brahma Kumaris website for those with an open mind.
> Ron Jeffries
> Knowledge must come through action;
> you can have no test which is not fanciful, save by trial. -- Sophocles