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56085Re: [scrumdevelopment] Re: [XP] Product Owner and retrospectives

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  • RonJeffries
    Oct 22, 2012

      On Oct 22, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Michael Mallete <mrmallete@...> wrote:

      Yipes, made the mistake of dragging in the whole Scrum Primer vs Scrum Guide thing  :-)  anyway, just saying, there's no real consensus yet. I don't think there ever will be.

      If you think about the fundamental principles of Agile, it seems clear that the whole Scrum Team needs to work together as a single self-organizing team. Therefore, if there are forces that make it seem better for the PO not to be there, you're observing an impediment to doing the best thing, and that impediment needs to be removed.

      So if the team dynamics are such that the team cannot speak freely in front of the PO, that is the problem that needs to be fixed. It might be best to have the PO stay out but you need to recognize that you have a serious problem that won't be fixed by isolating the PO away from things.
      Sometimes you just have to stop holding on with both hands, both feet, and your tail, to get someplace better. 
      Of course you might plummet to the earth and die, but probably not: you were made for this.

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