55414Re: [scrumdevelopment] Re: Scrum at Yahoo
- Jul 14, 2012Fredrik,My only reason for asking was finding out more about Yahoo's experiences with Scrum, and I was curious if it is in any way related to the technical issues they are having at the moment. I was not looking or hoping to find any particular answer.I realize that Scrum may or may not ever be the root cause of any failure (technical or business), but I do believe that organizations that do Scrum well would not be having such public technical failures as Yahoo seems to be having lately.I have long been a huge fan of Yahoo for many reasons, so I'm very disappointed that they are having business and technical problems and are struggling. It is sad.On another yahoo group I'm on, the recent announcement of YG to disable/remove a couple of features was interpreted by some of the members to mean that Yahoo Groups was going away altogether and that maybe Facebook was part of the catalyst for that. I personally do not think as highly of Facebook as the media does, but I do have a lot of respect for any company that achieves as much "perceived" success in such a little time time frame as Facebook has.-------
From: frede_swe <fredrik.vestin@...>
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 4:51 AM
Subject: [scrumdevelopment] Re: Scrum at Yahoo
Why are you asking? Are you looking for examples of where scrum or other frameworks fail or succeed? To me waterfall, scrum or any other framework cannot fail or succeed, only the organisations trying to adopt them. You may have a higher probability of succeeding with scrum over other frameworks, but that's a different story.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Charles Bradley - Scrum Coach CSP CSM PSM I <chuck-lists2@...> wrote:
> I remember in my CSM class in 2008 that someone in the class was saying that Yahoo had tried Scrum and thrown it out because it couldn't support their rapidly changing priorities, etc. It sounded like to me that they were a in high churn environment, which usually smacks of a dysfunction of some sort.
> Fast forward to present day, and I'm having all kinds of problems accessing my Yahoo Calendar. I'm one of the 3 people in the world that doesn't use the Outlook Calendar or the Outlook Mail client (though as I get more and more appointments from managers and executives I think I need to give up and just do it), and have always used the Yahoo calendar and enjoyed it.
> From what I've read and experienced, Yahoo has had some serious failures wrt Yahoo Groups and Yahoo Calendar.
> Though I have absolutely no hard evidence(other than a 3rd hand report in my CSM class) to back any of this up, I am now wondering if a) Scrum was telling Yahoo something and b) if throwing out Scrum was a successful move for them.
> Having said all of that, my guess is that, if they a lot of technical debt, process debt, and/or defects in their systems, that it probably has very little to do with Scrum directly, except maybe via the Definition of Done.
> Does anyone else have any info on Yahoo that might explain their technical or process problems? (Their business problems are a whole different animal)
> Charles Bradley
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