33839Re: What about this? I'm already dodging for cover !
- Oct 27, 2008Well, tbe problem is that the course is to certify a person as having
learned the ScrumMaster role, but people use the course as a Scrum
Bootcamp course (and get a free certificate from it).
If there had been a "Scrum Bootcamp" course, with a certificate that
produced "Certified Bootcampee", then that certificate or a promise
that the person already knew basic Scrum and was interested in
learning how to be a good SCrumMaster, would make great sense as
entry criteria for the CSM course.
That would have been the sensible thing to do.
What we have now is a really untenable situation where thousands of
people have CSM certificates without possibly even knowing basic
Scrum rules, the CSM course has become the defacto Scrum Bootcamp
course ... and I doubt that either future Scrum Bootcampees or the
CST Invested have interest in generating and holding a watered down
certificate called Scrum Bootcampee.
However, frankly, that would solve the basic problem. Scrum
Bootcampees are a different breed than ScrumMasters, quite properly,
and have different needs to be satisfied by different courses. Tens
of thousands of people need the Scrum Bootcamp material, many
hundreds to a few thousands need the CSM material.
It is not too late to make this change - the total number of Scrum
Bootcampees already taught is much much smaller than the number yet
to be taught.
--- In email@example.com, Angela Druckman
>and calling it Scrum -
> As much as we all get tired of seeing people doing strange things
>to it from a newcomers point of view. I wouldn't want to scare more
> I think the Scrum community already sometimes has an elitist feel
people off by making it more so. I understand it is in the works to
have a more rigorous certification standard for CSM, and that is
great. But everyone has to start somewhere.
>haven't a clue to start? People don't know what they don't know--why
> Why not welcome anyone who wants to learn more, even if they
punish them for that fact?
>dodging for cover !
> From: Ilja Preuß <iljapreuss@...>
> To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 8:22:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [scrumdevelopment] What about this? I'm already
> What if instead of a test, a position paper was required?
> Mhh, that might significantly screw with the number of attendees, of
> course. Not that I'd find that to be bad, but I'm sure there are
> people who would...
> Cheers, Ilja
> 2008/10/27 marjiecarmen <marjiecarmen@ comcast.net>:
> > What about a pre-requisite test before you even get to take the
> > class!!! ha!multiple
> > (Hey Tobias - how are you!)
> > You must know the "essence" of SCRUM by answering these non-
> > choice questions a.k.a. situational or essay questions before youtake
> > the CSM class.but I
> > I personally don't believe testing for SCRUM knowledge will work
> > do recall when I took the class from Ken there were those who hadvalue out
> > absolutely NO idea what he was talking about because they had no
> > experience nor had they read the book. They got little to no
> > of it according to what they were saying after wards. Not mypersonal
> > conclusion.experience
> > I believe way back then it was suggested that you had some
> > as well as having read the book front/back and sideways standingon
> > your head!unsubscribe@ eGroups.comYahoo! Groups Links
> > -Marjie Carmen
> > Boston
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