26822Re: Importance of Scrum Master Training / Cert
- Feb 3, 2008Hi "tpagliocco" (can't guess a name from that),
You and other respondents raise a bunch of interesting questions - let
me take a shot at some...
1. Trying to successfully do Scrum after just reading books...
Some books have great insights and practical tactics, especially
those by Mike Cohn and the Poppendiecks. However, "getting it" is not
just a intellectual exercise - it's about habit change. And habit
change is about practice, practice, practice. But that practice must
be informed by the ideas that drive good practice. To "get it", one
needs to internalize new values, principles and practices - and that's
2. Taking a CSM course...
There are some very good people teaching Scrum. Some of those are
CST certified by the Scrum Alliance (AKA Ken). Some have not joined
that club and are very insightful about what's important and what are
typical errors of thinking. To be clear about what a SCM gives you,
it's about 2 days of class with some lecture and some exercises. If
you pay your money, show up and don't upset the teacher, you are one.
Not a very high hurdle. The value one gets out of the class can
depend alot on what what one comes in with. When I first heard Ken
speak at a professional meeting, a lot resonated with my decades of
experience and I immediately decided to take the next CSM class.
I think the value of CSM training is simply understanding a new
paradigm and why the traditional one was wrong. To my mind, the error
is essentially one premise: It has been assumed that if we do
masterful requirements engineering, write a masterful spec, and then
build and test to that spec, we'll be successful. We will almost
always fail. The reason is that the customer only knows what he wants
in broad business terms without a clue about all the details. Those
are to be discovered by all. Scrum provides some of the tools to
3. Getting an experienced coach to help...
There are two sides to the challenge of transforming an
organization to a new paradigm. The easier one is getting a new idea
understood. The hard one is getting rid of the old ones. Habits
are... well... habits. And they can be what we base our professional
sense of worth on. That's not easy to set aside. And that's why
having a coach can make all the difference. A good coach provides
continuous teaching and reinforcement as well as being a mirror to the
team members and management.
As I write this, it's about two hours before the Super Bowl
kickoff. I have been admiring the amazingly brilliant, leadership,
teamwork and focus that Bill Belicheck and Tom Brady are bringing to
the NE Patriots. What an example for our Scrum teams and
ScrumMasters. I use sports teams for concrete examples of many
essential principles in my raining and coaching of Agile/Scrum teams.
Let me close with saying, I have seen companies try to run Agile/Scrum
teams with only book learning and some short classes, and it's not a
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--- In email@example.com, "tpagliocco" <tpagliocco@...>
>be for a while), I interpret your statement that this would great for
> So going now before we bring in a scrum coach (if we do, it wouldn't
a new scrum team that is trying to "get it" and also wanting to make
sure we're not mis-interpreting anything from our library of books.
>pair, Mike Cohn thing and Henrik's bytes) and articles on the internet.
> Also groups like this make for fantastic community support as well.
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Pierre Mengal" <pierre@>
> > Hi,
> > I tried to implement Scrum 2 years ago by reading books (Ken's
> >was doing many things wrong. This is probably why I was getting
> > When I attended the CSM course few months later, I found that I
average results ;)
> >highly suggest you to send your developers to certification courses or
> > The course helped me to "get it".
> > If you are willing to implement Scrum in your organization, I
hire a certified coach.
> >go along with it. I'd say for being new to the game, the team is
> > Pierre
> > On Jan 20, 2008 7:15 AM, tpagliocco <tpagliocco@> wrote:
> > > Our team is new to Scrum and to the framework and rules that
getting hungry to a) learn more about scrum and b) begin banging out
more in less time.
> > >Master Certification help me not only lead my team, but also help to
> > > Overall, this a good thing.
> > >
> > > >From my perspective, my question is, how important would Scrum
continue educating on the foundations of scrum.
> > >in our office, but in our corporate office in another state) but I
> > > Our CTO is a great resource for help on scrum (however he's not
believe in my role I have to not only continue to expand my knowledge
on the subject but also try and educate myself as fast as possible so
I can help guide the rest of the office.
> > >
> > > Your opinions are welcome. Thanks much.
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