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  • Schiel, James (MED US)
    Nov 8, 2007
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      I'll add to what Esther said. Having gone through it in a very large organization, introduction of Scrum will have an impact across the entire organization (including HR, Sales & Marketing, CRM, Release Management, Configuration Management, etc.) You name it, there's a tremendous impact. When Ken talks about most organizations that try Scrum fail -- it's not because Scrum is hard, it's because the changes it drives through your culture and through your dysfunctional processes is EXTREMELY painful.
      But it's worth it.
      I'm currently trying to put my two years + of notes on this together into something useful and coherent. I've got more data than I know what to do with and sifting through it all is taking time.
      Jim Schiel
      CST, Siemens Medical Solutions

      From: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther Derby
      Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 8:29 AM
      To: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: RE: [scrumdevelopment] Re: Retrospective questions

      What Martine said.

      And yes, introducing Scrum can be a major cultural event.  If a company is introducing Scrum in an agile way (working in small chunks; inspecting and adapting; learning from every iteration), retrospectives on how the introducing is going are a part of the process.


      Esther Derby
      Esther Derby Associates, Inc.
      612-724-8114 www.estherderby. com

      **Secrets of Agile Teamwork PUBLIC workshop: December 11-13, 2007 in Portland , OR **

      From: scrumdevelopment@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:scrumdevelo pment@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Martine Devos
      Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 12:43 AM
      To: scrumdevelopment@ yahoogroups. com
      Subject: Re: [scrumdevelopment] Re: Retrospective questions

      I am not Esther, but I have done a lot of retrospectives and some good experience

      For the cultural event:  I started a lot of change efforts with (retro/future) spectives.   Collecting data, feelings, expectations. ..  about the change and involving the whole organization in planning the implementation.

      As for the just another name for "continuous process improvement" I disagree and would encourage you not to use that expressions.  Retrospectives are not just about process -- they are about people, feelings as facts, ....


      Martine Devos
      mmdevos@acm. org
      skype: mmdevos1953

      ----- Original Message ----
      From: luau_boy <luau_boy@yahoo. com>
      To: scrumdevelopment@ yahoogroups. com
      Sent: Monday, November 5, 2007 3:22:15 PM
      Subject: [scrumdevelopment] Re: Retrospective questions

      Esther -

      Thanks for the reply. Do you consider the introduction of Agile/SCRUM
      into an IT organization a 'cultural' event? In other words, is the
      idea of introducing Agile/SCRUM into an IT shop the result of a larger
      'retrospective' that senior management may/should have undertaken in
      order to properly position the team(s) for the 'significant' changes
      that Agile/SCRUM connotate?

      I'm wondering if a retrospective isn't just another name for
      'continual process improvement' ?

      --- In scrumdevelopment@ yahoogroups. com, "Esther Derby" <derby@...> wrote:

      When the scope of the retrospective is one team (5-10 people) a half-day
      retrospective for a 30 day sprint is reasonable. The team is looking at
      what *they* can do to improve *their* practices and team work.
      What you describe below is looking at improvements that cross
      > boundaries. The basic flow of the retrospective
      meeting may still
      be the
      > same, but it takes a different level of
      planning and coordination, both
      > before and after the
      > I'd want to have a plan to make the meeting
      effective whether it's
      an hour
      > or 3 days. To get benefits from
      retrospectives, the team (or group)
      needs to
      > think, learn and decide
      together and that requires more than
      answering "What
      > worked/What to
      do differently. "
      > We cover some of the difference between
      team/release/ project
      > (plus lots of resources for
      sprint retrospectives) in Agile
      > Making Good Teams
      Great (Pragmatic Bookshelf, 2006).
      > ED
      > Esther
      > Esther Derby Associates, Inc.
      > 612-724-8114
      www.estherderby. com
      > **Secrets of Agile Teamwork PUBLIC
      workshop: December 11-13, 2007 in
      > Portland ,
      OR **
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      > > From:
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      > > Subject: [scrumdevelopment] Retrospective
      > >
      > > How can a retrospective be done by the
      'team' - if the 'team' consists
      > > of 100's of people situated
      globally - who contribute in a material
      > > way to the retrospective?
      (given that a team is usually 7-10 people,
      > > but that programs
      consists of many teams)
      > >
      > > Isn't the retrospective
      supposed to be a 'streamlined and structured'
      > > way to develop
      process improvement ideas that can be 'vetted' with the
      > > SCRUM
      master and the business (who PAYS for the changes being
      > >
      contemplated by the 'team')?
      > >
      > > How are such ideas
      'baked', prior to selecting only those ideas that
      > > are the most
      'optimal' for the client and the team(s) that must learn
      > > and adopt
      the revised process(es)? How are stakeholders/ owners allowed
      > > to
      collaborate with the 'retrospective' team - to insure that they
      > >
      aren't 'out there' - evaluating potential changes that the
      > >
      stakeholders would ultimately - never consider supporting?
      > >
      > > When using a high concentration of consultants, isn't it the
      > >
      responsibility of the SCRUM master to develop and gain approval on
      > >
      just HOW a retrospective will be properly positioned to insure that
      > >
      the company can 'harvest' the collective knowledge of all the program
      > > participants in the most optimal way? Do I understand correctly
      > > all this can be done within a (3) hr. window every month?
      > > this neccessitate a well thought out plan (in advance)for
      how to run
      > > these meetings -- what tools are needed -- what
      > > communication/ collaboration model will be used to insure buy-in
      > > participation from ALL impacted stakeholders?
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
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