Re: Troop Venture Patrol
You are entirely correct about mixing the VenturE and VenturING
models. At the time we designed our program, VenturING was new, and
we didn't have the maturity to stick to any one program nomenclature.
But, regardless of the lapse of terminology, we definitely were not
trying to be a Venture Crew. We adapted some of the ideas and
terminology (like calling the ASM an "Advisor)," but we always had in
mind melding the venture patrol within the framework of the troop.
We were very conscious of the potential conflicts and competition for
All in all, our program went well (past tense), and we are now in our
second round of venture patrol implementation. We found that we had
a "bubble" of 10 or so Life Scouts who were losing interest in the
Troop activities, and that we needed to retain these young men.
Hence our venture patrol idea. The patrol flourished for about 3
years, then we had the opposite situation we had very few mature
Scouts for over a year. The patrol went into decline. Right now, we
are experiencing a resurgence in interest as we have about 6 boys of
Life rank, eager to explore new activities.
One of our main focuses was in instilling the idea of "service" into
the venture patrol. From the beginning, we made it clear to the
venture patrol that one of their responsibilities was to conduct
Junior Leader Training (at that time) for the Troop. This went very
well. The boys looked at this requirement as a means of "paying" for
their additional outing experiences. Also, several of the boys were
SPL and/or ASPL's who had attended NYLT, so this part was easy for
On the down side, we found it extremely difficult to get the boys to
stand up to the logistics side of the equation. In our troop, the
ASM's and parents take care of the driving, money collection, permit
creation, health forms, etc. We wanted the venture guys to take on
some of this (similar to what happens in a venture crew). But,
sadly, this just didn't happen. I don't know whether the boys
weren't ready of these additional tasks, were too busy with sports
and such, or that the adults "spoiled" them in the process of
supporting the overall Troop activities.
Also we found that when the boys graduated from high school and went
off to college, this left a "hole" which was hard to fill in the
ranks. Eventually, most of the boys went off to school, and we had
to downplay the venture patrol idea for a while. Happily, we're back
again with round 2 new set of boys and a new set of dads and moms.
Well, that's about all off the top of my head. I hope you have great
experiences with your venture patrol guys, and I would be happy to
hear about any of your "ups and downs" as well.
ASM and Venture Advisor, Troop 216, Lionville PA
--- In email@example.com, "Ryan" <rd_lancaster@...> wrote:
> Thank you for sharing what your Troop does. Are you the ASM for the
> venture patrol? I notice your presentation is dated 2003. Has your
> troop maintained a venture patrol since then? What have you learned
> or changed since 2003? I'd love to hear more about the successes
> struggles your venture patrol has experienced.
> I was impressed with your presentation. One inconsistency that I
> observed was that you seem to mix VenturING with your VenturE patrol
> in places. You call the venture ASM an "Advisor" (a VenturING term)
> and state that the "Advisors" will attend VenturING Leader specific
> training. In those two instances you are mixing programs and I'm
> sure that is the intention of either the VenturE patrol in a Boy
> Troop or a separate VenturING crew.
> Meridian, ID
> Ore-Ida Council
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "tomtribble" <Tom@> wrote:
> > All: I just posted a PPT presentation that describes our Troop's
> > Venture Patrol design. Each troop will have its own ideas --
> > ours. (File name is Venture Youth.ppt in the Files section)
> > Tom Tribble, ASM
> > Troop 216, Lionville, PA