Re: Sharing Files(Illegally)
- BSA grants us all the right to make copies for our use of books we
buy that are BSA printed and BSA copywrited, It does not give us the
right to publish this same material on the Internet. There is a big
difference between the two.
If its copywrited material it should not be on the internet. If you
had done this with a book you bought at amazon, they would already
be sueing you.
--- In email@example.com, Scouter Chuck <antelope95@...>
> Paul <plamson13642@...> wrote:
> > It amaze's me that we push our scouts to follow the Oath and
> > yet we as scouters continually break the law by illegallyposting
> > copywrited material on the internet. If this was a busninesssite
> > you would already be in court like the music/movie people.us by
> I've held my peace on this issue for several years, and through
> several discussions. I can't really hold it any longer.
> What amazes me is that we will allow our rights to be taken from
> people who want to make more money, without fighting back on thehelp
> Before Bill Gates and the Napster fiasco, radio stations would
> you get a tape copy of an out of print recording. You could putan LP
> on tape, and no one cared. Now, you can't even legally make acopy of
> a CD you bought, so that you can keep it in the car to play, andnot
> have to risk it being stolen or damaged.one
> In the specific case of Scouting material, I remember being told
> time, either in person or on one of these groups (Scouts-L?) thatas
> leaders we had the right to copy any BSA material that wasn'twas
> specifically prohibited from copy. Much of my training material
> made that way, by others who used it for handouts to the trainingthis
> courses I attended.
> I don't know what the BSA lawyers will say or are saying about
> issue, but the _only_ BSA training material I know of that copyingwas
> banned is the Blanchard Woodbadge material from the original WB21C.(or
> Now, with regard to law -- our laws are interpreted by the courts
> misinterpreted, to some). In the 1930's, the courts interpretedthe
> Second Amendment to mean that it was legal for members of themilitia
> to have arms in their homes, but that didn't apply to the publicat
> Now, the courts are interpreting the First Amendment to mean
> things than we've believed for 200+ years. "Separation of Churchand
> State" is being used to erase all evidence of religion from publicwall
> property. (Even though the Ten Commandments are engraved on the
> of the US Supreme Court -- displayed right behind the 9 judges'selectively
> "Freedom of the Press" is being used to justify or excuse
> reporting stories to deliberately slant the reader's opinions,while
> "Freedom of Speech" is being used to slander or shout down anyonewho
> disagrees with you.10-95
> Even on these Scouting lists. :(
> Soap box off -- see you all sometime next week.
> Chuck Bramlet -- Phoenix, Az. ----- mailto:antelope95@...
> I "used to be" an Antelope! -- WEM-
> Thunderbird District -- Grand CanyonCouncil
> Committee Member at Large, Roundtable Staff -- MemberDNRC
> "The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing"Covey
> -- Stephen R.
- i believe you'll find that scout materials can be copied for scout use.
Scout materials are not there just to fatten up the coffers of National
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 8:03 PM
Subject: [Scouter_T] Re: Sharing Files(Illegally)
It amaze's me that we push our scouts to follow the Oath and Law,
yet we as scouters continually break the law by illegally posting
copywrited material on the internet. If this was a busniness site
you would already be in court like the music/movie people.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Ida Lively <Ilively@...> wrote:
> Most of the syllabi are available for download at:
> Username: jvctraining
> PW: bsatrainer2006
> Once logged in, on the LEFT frame, choose "Syllabi and Training
> Here's what you'll find: (PDF - portable document format, PPS -
> NLE pdf pps
> OWL-2005 pdf
> OWL (pre 2005) pdf
> Den Chief - 2004 pdf
> CSLST Cubmaster pdf pps
> CSLST Tiger DL pdf pps
> CSLST DL pdf pps
> CSLST Committee pdf pps
> CSLST Webelos DL pdf pps
> Trainer Development Conference pdf
> Charter Org. Rep Training pdf
> Troop Comm. Challenge pdf
> IOLS pdf
> IOLS recipes -- local content pdf
> SM/ASM Specific pdf pps
> Venturing Leader Specific pdf pps
> Most of the big courses (OWL, IOLS, etc.) are broken into
sections -- i.e. Woods Tools. This was done so that I could send
just the section needed to my trainers.
> I *believe* I have others, such as the new Troop Training, and
NYLT, but I don't see them on the website. I'll see if there's a
reason that our webmeister took them offline.
> BTW, You're welcome.
> - Juniata Valley Council, Nittany Mountain District Training Chair
> P.S. If you have a need to share files, if you have a G-Mail
(google mail) account, you can post files -- even large ones -- for
free at: base.google.com
> If you need an invitation to G-mail, email me OFF-LIST (!!!!!!!)
and I'll send you an invitation. I have 50 available. My husband
has 100, and my son has 100, so a large portion of the list can have
g-mail accounts if they wish, but ONLY if they e-mail me off list.
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- Ladies and Gentlemen, Scouters all.
While I won't claim to be the definitive word on the
matter, I do think all of the the following
information is true.
BSA holds valid, registered copyright protection on
some 99% PLUS of its materials, including but not
limited to written materials such as training syllibi,
handbooks, guidebooks, m badge books, certificates,
badge cards, etc., etc., etc. as it's a long, long
list. (It may actually be 100%, but that's more study
than I've ever given the matter.)
Copyright law provides, in part:
a time frame for the valifity of protection
on a copyrighted work.
to the holder of the copyright, which may or
may not be the author, authority to pursue
remedies due to actions which infringe the
copyright protection afforded to a work.
a reasonably outlined means to secure permission,
from the holder of the copyright protection, to
make and/or distribute copies.
a reasonably understood multi-prong test on
what constitutes fair use of a copyrighted work
even in the absence of the express permission of
the holder of the copyright.
Copying 100% of a work can potentially give rise to a
valid claim of copyright infringement against someone
by the holder of the copyright protection. Such a
claim may lead to treble damages on a registered work,
plus considerable other expenses. For unregistered
works, provable actual damages plus expenses, which
again, could be considerable, would be the available
remedy to the holder of the copyright.
BSA has never, to my knowledge, sought an action
against a volunteer for copying and distributing
training materials that are under copyright
Only BSA has the authority to press an action to
protect BSA's rights as a copyright holder.
That being noted, I'll close simply by adding this
opinion: Both the "It's OK" and the "It's Not OK"
camps appear to be correct, at this time.
(a) Much of what appears to occur regarding
training syllabi falls squarely into a
category of conduct which could reasonably
be expected to result in a recovery for
BSA if BSA elected to pursue a copyright
(b) BSA, though entitled to take action if
and when it should choose to do so, shows
little to no signs of any interest to take
such action in situations where no one is
seeking any form of personal gain, even
though wide spread copying and distribution
limits sales and can lead to increased
Kevin in Norman, America
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