Re: Pack Trainer Training- link
While I think your concern is unfounded, I do understand the concern.
None of us want to distribute (or receive) inaccurate information at
a training event.
I went back in our May list archives to see where the pack trainer
award and knot file in our files section originated. I found this
Just placed the requirement for the New Pack Trainer Knot
in the Flies section under trainer knot.
this was approved by the Naitonal Cub Scout Committee
You may not know Jay was the source of the file, and even if you spot
checked the archive, you may not have clue one who Jay is. Truth be
known, I've never laid eyes on Jay myself. However, I'm familar with
both Jay and his dear spouse via this list and other list.
If either of them post something and it's not labeled as opinion, my
experiences with them cause me to feel quite comfortable that's no
mere receivable but hard currency already in the bank. that's the
level of respect and trust that they have generated in my dealings
I'm in full agreement that it would be great to see some clear
publicity for the Pack Trainer Award and its associated knot coming
from national. I think it's an important position that deserves to
have its new award tooted far more publically. That said, I have no
question in my mind that it is indeed an approved national award with
a start date later this week.
I personally think existing pack trainers ought to be able to
grandfather in at least 1 year of tenure myself. Of course, iffin I
had my way, our own Jamie D would get the first award out of the
printing press and the first knot off the loom but well, yeah,
sometimes I gets a touch biased 8^)
On a local DE not knowing of something, even our best DE's and their
supervisors only find out stuff when they get told. In the internet
age, many DE's and even SE's hear of things from the volunteer side
of the field before it filters out to them in the monthly or bi-
weekly or whatever schedule is used by the national to council pony
express. Volunteers in positions to know can share information in
danged near real time and distribute globally with but a few clicks.
The Corporate world however still puts things in a hopper to float
through a distrbution cycle and it gets there when it gets there, and
then it gets spread further in a somewhat adhoc process even after it
hits the right building in the right city.
Although it seems to me communication overall is improving, two very
common statements to me over the years from my local council staff
folk have been "let me check that out and get back to you" and "How
do you keep coming up with this stuff?" They're good people, they
just spend less time internet-wise than I do so I gets to stump them
at times because I'm a bit like my poppa: I ain't ever gonna be the
smartest man in the room, but I have one whale of a rolodex and it's
chock full of smart people who are willing to lend a hand from time
Also, at least from my perspective, June 1 hasn't been a typical
launch date for Cub related matters in recent years.
The BALOO syllabus hit shelves in the winter months of late
2000 and early 2001.
The Tiger rank program and handbook was pretty much an
August/September creature back in 2001 if I recall right.
Tigers wearing blue uniforms (officially anyway) was
announced mid to late summer 2004 with a kickoff in
August or September as I recall.
Back when it was created, the Cub Scout Outdoor Activity
award was announced late in the summer months, and
then shortly after it was clarified it had a post
September 1 date of that year for counting the camping
The eventual release of the revised Webelos Leader Outdoor
training syllabus wasn't tied to June either, but the actual
date escapes me now.
The updated Fast Start online training for Tiger leaders
earlier this year wasn't tied to June.
Sorry to be so long, and I may not have alleiviated any of your
concerns, but I'm very comfortable in the belief that information
currently in the files section is the correct info on a new in 2006
national council award for pack trainers.
Kevin from Norman, America
- --- In email@example.com, "Kevin" <kevinpate@...> wrote:
> I personally think existing pack trainers ought to be able to
> grandfather in at least 1 year of tenure myself. Of course, iffin
> had my way, our own Jamie D would get the first award out of theOkay, Kevin - that's enough. I kind of wish the same thing myself,
> printing press and the first knot off the loom but well, yeah,
> sometimes I gets a touch biased 8^)
since I think I have most of the requirements nailed alreay. But -
that's not in the rules, so I'm left wondering whether I should put
off crediting my tenure toward my Roundtable service, and apply it
to the Pack Trainer award. I suppose it might make my District
Commissioner happier if I did PT first, then I'd have to hang around
RT longer to earn the arrowhead, knot and Distinguished Commissioner
> On a local DE not knowing of something, even our best DE's andtheir
> supervisors only find out stuff when they get told. In theinternet
> age, many DE's and even SE's hear of things from the volunteerside
> of the field before it filters out to them in the monthly or bi-pony
> weekly or whatever schedule is used by the national to council
> express. Volunteers in positions to know can share information inclicks.
> danged near real time and distribute globally with but a few
I think, too, part of our communication problem is the publishing
schedule for Scouting magazine. It comes out in May/June (too late
to publish much info from the National Meeting), and then disappears
until September. What do you want to bet there'll be info on the
award in the September issue when it hits our mailboxes? (Which is
soon I hope!)
- While I don't recall the exact release date either, I seem to recall it
being given to us around September or October, a short time before our
date for that training course.
Central FL Council
"PackDude" at www.Scoutboard.com
...and a good 'ol Bobwhite too! SR442
> The eventual release of the revised Webelos Leader Outdoor
> training syllabus wasn't tied to June either, but the actual
> date escapes me now.
- Actually, Don, I believe the green (ALL green) "Scouter's Training
Award" is for RT STAFF - RT Commissioners earn the (green and
white) "Scouter's Key" for being the Commissioner. In the case of a RT
Commissioner, it'd be considered the "Commissioner's Key". The (all
green) Scouter's Training Award and the (green and white) Scouter's
Key are awarded for multiple things. A device is used to designate
what it was earned for. For example, I have a Scouter's Training Award
for service on RT staff - and I wear it with a commissioner device.
Had I earned it as a Boy Scout leader, I'd wear it with a different
But all this is splitting hairs - you are right - being a staffer on a
Roundtable, you can earn a knot. For the RT staff knot, you have to
take basic training for the position (there is a class for RT staff),
there is a tenure requirement and there are some performance items you
have to get signed off.
THanks for pointing this out - chances are, there are some RT staffers
out there that aren't aware that they can earn the Scouter's Training
award for their service.
Prepping for Ernesto
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Don Wilson" <don-wilson@...> wrote:
> And don't forget that TR Commissioners may also earn the green
> training knot.
> Don Wilson
> OHC 427
- Hi, Gerry,
You are on the mark once again. The Roundtable Commissioner earns
the Key after earning the Arrowhead Honor.
I wear a green and white knot with devices for Boy Scout,
Commissioner, and District Committee. I also have the silver on red
knot as a Distinguished Unit Commissioner and also as Distinguished
District Commissioner. After completing a Doctor of Commissioner
Science (Unit Service) program ('96), a Master's in Roundtable, and
leading a number of Post Graduate programs, my Council Commissioner
has assigned me as permanent Commissioner's College Staff. We have
three councils that come together to form the Triad Cluster
Commissioner's College. The course levels (Bachelor, Masters,
Roundtable (now offered as one course rather than two), Doctorate
with Post Doctorate, rotate yearly, so I only have to be prepared to
present any of the topics selected for the level that is the
responsibility of our council.
I am a firm believer of recognizing leaders who advance through the
programs and urge every leader to make themselves aware of awards for
which they may be qualified.