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Re: [Scouter_T] Wood Badge Question

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  • Rick Rambo
    Sandy Owl, I am sorry that you have been so ill informed. In the First years of WB for the 21st century, it is true that they did not want old timers to take
    Message 1 of 10 , Jul 24, 2006
      Sandy Owl,
      I am sorry that you have been so ill informed.
      In the First years of WB for the 21st century, it is true that they did not want 'old timers' to take the course, but since then, things have changed. Also for much of the time this course has been out, the source of staff has been those who attended SM or CS WB in the past, but alas, this (2006) is the last year that someone can staff a WB21 course unless they have either attended a WB 21 course or previously staffed a WB 21 course.
      However! Things have indeed changed this year (officially and standardized in the new manuals). Below is the section from the 2005-2006 Admin Guide dealing with Who May Attend a Wood Badge Course. It is on Page one if you need to refer anyone to the page.
      Who May Attend Wood Badge?

      To attend a Wood Badge course, Scouters must

      1. Be registered members of the Boy Scouts of America. (There are no minimum tenure requirements.)

      2. Have not previously attended a Wood Badge course, completed a Wood Badge ticket, and received Wood Badge beads.

      3. Have completed the basic training courses for their Scouting positions.

      4. Have completed the outdoor skills training programs appropriate for their Scouting positions.

      5. Be capable of functioning safely in an outdoor environment. Successful completion of the BSA class 3 physical is required for all participants.

      Note: Individuals who have attended Wood Badge in the past (either Cub Scout Trainers' Wood Badge or Boy Scout Leader Wood Badge) may attend Wood Badge for the 21st Century provided that: (1) They agree to write and work a Wood Badge for the 21st Century ticket; and (2) they agree not to wear Wood Badge beads until they have satisfactorily completed their Wood Badge for the 21st Century ticket.

      Rick Rambo

      Course Director


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Sandra Martens
      To: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 7:16 PM
      Subject: Re: [Scouter_T] Wood Badge Question

      you were lucky to have only 5 items. when I took CS trainers woodbadge we had 8 areas with 2 ticket items in each- for a total of 16 ticket items!

      I did hear though, that the woodbadge course did undergo some changes, and that may have been one of them. Being an old wood badger, I'm not allowed to help with the new wood badge or attend it so I'm not sure.,just what I've heard.

      Sandy owL

      Melina Baker <melina@...> wrote:
      I am responsible for coordinating training in my pack (although my title is
      not technically Trainer), for conducting CSRT training, and for helping with
      district basic trainings as needed. I have a couple other
      non-training-related jobs in scouting as well. I normally lurk here,
      gleaning quite a lot from everyone, and now I have a question. I guess it's
      a bit of a vent too, but I want input from someone who understands Wood
      Badge better than I do.

      When I took Wood Badge, we were required to sign on to complete five
      tickets, one of which had to be a cultural diversity ticket. That was the
      layout of the course in our council for the year or two before I took it as
      well. We wrote up five tickets, got five tickets approved, committed to do
      five tickets, and only got our beads if we followed through and completed
      five tickets.

      This past year, learners could write up six tickets if they wanted to, and
      then complete any five of the six they want to do. I was also sorely
      disappointed in the quality of some of the tickets I heard of as well - one
      guy signed on to attend five different trainings (TDC, BALOO, OWL,
      Commissioner College, and Powwow) and help with a NLE/PST (no diversity
      ticket at all). There's one training that is always iffy in our council, so
      if they don't hold that one, he'll help with the Basic training. Although I
      haven't asked a lot of folks I know who attended the last WB, the ones I've
      talked to have had similarly unchallenging tickets. I do realize that part
      of writing tickets is to challenge yourself and sometimes what would
      challenge one person is a walk in the park for others, but that one
      particular fellow chose tickets comparable to asking a PhD to read a
      newspaper in order to pass a test.

      Although it irks me a bit about the quality of the tickets, I can let that
      go by - I don't care to dedicate the energy to judging the merits of
      everyone's tickets, but I do think the new class of learners got cheated.
      What really gets under my skin is the fact that that they were given some
      leeway - a safety net of an extra ticket. To me, writing five tickets and
      then committing to complete them all at the risk of failing to get my beads
      is teaching me several good lessons: 1) how to take a hard look at my goals
      and make sure they are achievable by my own power and then to find a path to
      achieve them, 2) how to prioritize, 3) how to look at objectives rationally
      and decide if they are realistic, and 4) to be able to stand and say "I
      WILL" and not "I'LL TRY".

      Quite honestly, some of my irritation over this probably stems from the fact
      that I am bumping hard against the deadline to get my own tickets
      accomplished because every ticket I signed on for was fairly involved (in
      hindsight, maybe I should've taken on one easier ticket, but even now I
      wouldn't be able to decide which of my final tickets I would've given up to
      make room for a gimme ticket) and because I've had a couple of major
      setbacks that in themselves taught me good lessons. I'm hustling to get
      mine done and hoping I can get everything accomplished by the deadline, and
      I'm seeing some of the new class whistling by without even breaking a sweat.

      Still though, and I guess this is where my question comes in, I was under
      the impression the course should be the same from year to year and that the
      critical elements are dictated by a syllabus determined nationally. Is it
      up to the Course Director to decide how many tickets learners can have and
      what the criteria is for successful completion? Is it just me, or doesn't
      changing and relaxing the requirements cheat the new learners and discount
      the work of previous learners? If this is all correct and proper, someone
      tell me it is and I'll not worry about it again. Otherwise, I'm curious how
      to approach this as I am in a position to influence others in my pack and
      district to attend Wood Badge.

      Thanks in advance,

      Melina Baker

      WDL, Pack 403

      CS RTC, 3 Rivers District (ETAC)

      "I used to be a Bobwhite."

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    • Don Wilson
      Hi, Sandy, Changes have occurred that have not reached you yet. First, an old Wood Badger is authorized to take the 21st Century course as long as he/she
      Message 2 of 10 , Jul 24, 2006
        Hi, Sandy,

        Changes have occurred that have not reached you yet. First, an "old"
        Wood Badger is authorized to take the 21st Century course as long as
        he/she agrees to 1) remove the beads and not wear then until the 2)
        the ticket for the new course has been completed.

        Additionally, as of the end of the year, to be a Staffer for a 21st
        Century Wood Badge course, the individual MUST have completed the new
        course. This requirement does not apply to the Quartermaster or
        cooks, but does apply to all staffers that have direct contact with

        The Wood Badge ticket could be equated to an Eagle Project. The
        requirement should challenger the abilities of the individual. The
        grater involvement in the Scouting program, the more challenging the
        ticket. Or at least that is how I see the situation.

        Don Wilson
        Silver Fox
      • Nina Wolfson
        Interesting to hear all these comments on WB tickets. I was a Troop Guide this past year. One of the differences that was noted for us was that all 5 tickets
        Message 3 of 10 , Jul 26, 2006
          Interesting to hear all these comments on WB tickets.

          I was a Troop Guide this past year. One of the differences that was noted
          for us was that all 5 tickets had to be related to the scouter's PRIMARY
          position. When I went through WB21, our tickets could be related to any of
          the positions that we held. It was difficult to get WB participants to
          figure out what their primary position was and would be over the next 18
          months, particularly with CS folks who change positions every couple of
          years (like DL to WL...) We even had a number of Tiger leaders participate.

          Regarding how challenging to make the tickets - some of the members of the
          patrol for which I was Troop Guide came up with very difficult and
          time-consuming items. I let the patrol know that I expected them to keep me
          appraised on their progress and come to me with any tickets that might have
          to be 'tweaked'. We finished the course in February, and no one has yet
          finished all their tickets. Some are close. One person hasn't finished
          any! None of the ticket items are what I consider to be a 'piece of cake'!

          I noticed when I went through as a participant, however, that many of the
          tickets were what I considered to be easy. One person catered lunch at TDC
          and counted that as a ticket (and that was her business!). Several other
          people got signed off on tickets for leading a session at the University of
          Scouting or TDC or similar. As a trainer, I liked having people raise their
          hands to help out with various training events, but as a fellow WB person, I
          did think those were 'easy tickets'. I was annoyed that while I was an
          active trainer at TDC, I wasn't getting any part of a ticket signed off for

          Nina Wolfson

          Tacachale District Training Chair

          Gulf Ridge Council

          And a good ol' antelope, too!

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