Re: [Scouter_T] Re: Opinions on Training
- So Far my Council works the Baloo and IOLS on the same weekend. The OLS-WL
does not happen yet, they count the IOLS course as equivalent. (I disagree
here with that) One of the key shared aspects is the cooking demonstration.
Instead of just how to do foil packs, the Baloo participants get exposed to
Dutch Ovens (Dump Cakes), as well as a short demonstration of the other
cooking methods. Having all the resources there at one time does seem to
allow for maximizing the Trainer's efforts, even if it is a scheduling
> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:15:31 -0800 (PST)The BALOO syllabus specifically states that it should not be combined
> From: David Gross <dc_gross@...>
> I do not understand the thinking behind a separate BALOO &
> OLS-WL. Even after the re-work (warming?) of the OLS-WL
> syllabus, it's really just "BALOO + a few Webelos rules +
> the Outdoorsman Activity Award group".
with other courses. Now, *why* it says that, I don't know. But as
others have said, I think the differences in the audience and the
purposes of the two trainings is sufficient justification for me to
keep the courses separate.
> We have not been able to make the suggestion in the syllabusOur Council ran the two courses jointly last fall, and although there
> to combine with OLS work well because the rules for Boy
> Scouts are so different, and the schedule/sessions are so
were some kinks to work out, they were a result of rolling out the new
course, not so much because of combining it with IOLS. I think it will
go more smoothly as we gain experience doing the new OLS-WL.
> I think that's my main concern -- there is a LOT ofHands-on can be done at Pow-Wow -- but our Council cancelled Pow-Wow
> "education" in the current material, but very little
> "training". The difference has been summarized as
> "Education is concerned with the development of the
> mind, of the intellect, while training deals with learning
> specific skills."
due to lack of attendance. We are trying to make up the slack at our
U. of Scouting.
> 1) REQUIRE (yes, REQUIRE) Youth Protection for allAgreed
> registered leaders.
> 2) Add BALOO to the list of course required for CubDisagree. BALOO is aimed at Scouters who are *not* den leaders or
> Scouters to be trained, and eliminate OLS-WL.
Cubmasters. And OLS-WL is aimed at a different audience and has a
> 3) Add more skill instruction to the courses.Not a bad idea -- what specifically did you have in mind? I think it
would be quite boring to go over how to fill out a tour permit, for
example. I know Tour Permits are mentioned in NLE, but I think the
best way to learn how to do a Tour Permit is to jump in and fill one
Keystone District Training Chair
Alamo Area Council
- Our Baloo / IOLS weekend:
The courses are held on the same weekend at the same location. The
Baloo Course has it's staff, and IOLS has it's staff. The two courses only
touch in that they are at the same scout camp on the same weekend, and we
share the cooking demonstration. The camp Ranger does some demonstrations
for each course (seperate audiences).
I do not see this as combining courses. I do see it as maximizing our
valuable resources - the adult leaders who are willing to serve as trainers.
I am interested in my district putting on an Outdoor leaders skills for
Webelos Leaders course in the spring, and a Baloo Course in the fall. Not
that I am trying to take away from the Council Courses, but I want to get
this training into the hands of our packs.