- This isn t a case of a couple individuals deviating from the Insignia Guide. This is our Council that has given this direction to our (National) Scout ShopsMessage 1 of 10 , Jun 11, 2005View SourceThis isn't a case of a couple individuals deviating from the
Insignia Guide. This is our Council that has given this direction to
our (National) Scout Shops and our district training that the guidelines should be deviated from for the WCA.
Our Scout Shops have been actively advising parents that this is something special in our Council. It appears that they have not publicized this in any means that is meant for public consumption and I was wondering if anyone else's Council publishes policies where the Council modifies the National program.
- INSIGNIA GUIDE, 2003-2005 - #33066D Excerpt form the Rules and Regulations INSIGNIA, UNIFORMS, AND BADGES Article X, Section 4 ALTERATION OF BADGES ANDMessage 2 of 10 , Jun 11, 2005View SourceINSIGNIA GUIDE, 2003-2005 - #33066D
Excerpt form the Rules and Regulations
INSIGNIA, UNIFORMS, AND BADGES
Article X, Section 4
ALTERATION OF BADGES AND INSIGNIA
Clause 10. No alternation of, or additions to, the official badges
and insignia or in the rules and regulations governing their use or
their location upon the uniform may be authorized by any Scouting
official, local council, local executive board, or committee except
the national Executive Board of the Boy Scouts of America and
committees specifically authorized thereof.
427, Old Hickory Council
- ... Chair, ... Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh, yes, your training chair also contributes to BSA s unwritten lore, myths, legends and history!! LOL. Here s what this hardMessage 3 of 10 , Jun 12, 2005View SourceChad C. Cooper wrote and asked:
>After tripping on an unwritten rule....Chair,
> After being given a "why didn't you know" speech by my District Training
> she couldn't point me to a source of where this was is writing.Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh, yes, your training chair also contributes to BSA's
>How do your councils communicate these types of things?
unwritten lore, myths, legends and history!! LOL.
Here's what this hard headed Scout Trainer would do in your situation.
I'd tell the training chair:
1) Thanks for the feedback on the "unwritten rule"
2) Councils don't have this authority from BSA National Council.
3) Until I see something different from the National Council, I will
continue to train according to the Insignia Guide (and help debunk the
myths about the WCA patch location!)
Hang in there Chad. Remember, we can do it the right way and not make
enemies (if way don't antagonize those who should be "in the know"). Good
T-259, Plano, TX
...and a few other things
- While I do not doubt that this is verbatim from National s rule book, councils do have some latitude here or else they could not produce and awardMessage 4 of 10 , Jun 12, 2005View SourceWhile I do not doubt that this is verbatim from National's rule
book, councils do have some latitude here or else they could not produce
and award participation patches for various council events, such as
camporees, or Jamboree Council and Troop Number, for their Jamboree
Scouts. Notut they only do these patches contain either the initials,
BSA, or the BSA Logo (one is mandatory for patches worn on the uniform),
but they are designed to be worn on the Scout Uniform, so councils must
be able to bend these rules a bit.
> INSIGNIA GUIDE, 2003-2005 - #33066DTo reply, click on the mailto: address below.
> Excerpt form the Rules and Regulations
> INSIGNIA, UNIFORMS, AND BADGES
> Article X, Section 4
> ALTERATION OF BADGES AND INSIGNIA
> Clause 10. No alternation of, or additions to, the official badges
> and insignia or in the rules and regulations governing their use or
> their location upon the uniform may be authorized by any Scouting
> official, local council, local executive board, or committee except
> the national Executive Board of the Boy Scouts of America and
> committees specifically authorized thereof.
> Don Wilson
> 427, Old Hickory Council
Dave Loomis mailto:dloomis.nh.ultranet@...
245 Union St. (603) 431 5342
Portsmouth, NH 03801-3225
- What you are talking about are Temporary patches. There is a specified location in the insignia guide, the right pocket, for these to go. A Scout may wearMessage 5 of 10 , Jun 13, 2005View SourceWhat you are talking about are Temporary patches. There is a
specified location in the insignia guide, the right pocket, for
these to go. A Scout may wear any patch in that location. It does
not have to be a BSA or Council patch. For example, if Kings
Dominion Park had a special patch for a Scout Day (not run by the
local council), then my son could put that patch there. I hang my
Alpha Phi Omega patch from my right pocket at times.
What the previous poster was talking about was a council exec having
their Scout Shop tell parents to place a temporary patch in the
location reserve for a Jamboree patch. Councils don't have latitude
to do this.
Having been a leader in 5 different Councils, I have experienced a
variety of local customs, for example wearing the Toten' Chip patch
on the right pocket flap, instead of the bottom of the right pocket
where it was designed for. We have had confusion over the years
about the term of Youth Protection Training. I have always taught
by the book.
If our Council were to gie me a handout with more stringent
guidelines one a particular policy, I would present those as Council
specific guidelines. I would expect those to be distributed to
trainers through the council training committee, to be posted on our
Council web site, and given to units annually on the program launch
CD. In our case, we do not have any council specific guidelines.
It is too challenging, as we have more registered adults than any
other council in the country.
Yours in Scouting,
--- In email@example.com, Dave Loomis <dloomis@n...> wrote:
> While I do not doubt that this is verbatim from National's
> book, councils do have some latitude here or else they could not
> and award participation patches for various council events ....
- Indeed, councils are able to produce event patches. In every case, however, these event patches are temporary patches and are to be worn on the rightMessage 6 of 10 , Jun 13, 2005View SourceIndeed, councils are able to produce event patches. In every case,
however, these event patches are "temporary" patches and are to be
worn on the right pocket. Only one "temporary" patch should be worn
at one time. Ever notice how any Scouts and Scouters wear the
Philmont patch in this position?
With respect to National Jamboree patches, council shoulder patches
are designed under specific guidelines. They can and do represent
the Council and are authorize for wear after the Jamboree. In this
situation only, two Jambo patches may be worn at the same time, one
above the pocket as directed in Jamboree rules, and on on the pocket.
Troop numbers for Jamboree Scouts are assigned by National, and each
delegate is required to wear that specific number for recognition
during Jambo. They should not replace the home unit number.
"Clause 11: SPECIAL LOCAL BADGES AND INSIGNIA
Local councils are authorized to adopt special badges and insignia
as awards for particular purposes in harmony with national policies
and to permit their use upon the official uniform in accordance with
the Rules and Regulations of the Corporation, bur such awards must be
approved as to purpose and design by the Corporation in advance."
Where the "bending" occurs is that these special badges and insignia
generally are approved by a professional scout within the council.
In some cases, even that step is skipped.
427, Old Hickory Council
- Under SCOUTING IDENTIFICATION the rules state that: It is mandatory that all badges worn on BSA uniforms contain identification including ONE of theMessage 7 of 10 , Jun 13, 2005View SourceUnder SCOUTING IDENTIFICATION the rules state that:
"It is mandatory that all badges worn on BSA uniforms contain
identification including ONE of the following:
Corporate name (Boy Scouts of America)
Corporate initials (BSA)
BSA fleur-de-lis (universal with Eagle or plain one-color)
Venturing, BSA; Venturing
This means that all council approved Cub Scout, Boy Scout, Varsity
Scout, and Venturing badges also must bear a BSA identification to
protect them, and that these BSA cloth badges must be APPROVED BY THE
(NOTE: capital letters used in place of bold in the manual)
427, Old Hickory Council