RE: [Scouter_T] Re: training cost question - long
- We also charge for many of the handouts at Basic Training. When I lived in
Idaho, I taught the Varsity Scout Basic Training in conjuction with about 6
other district and council staffers. We always included cost for handouts.
On the other hand, we tried to eliminate any copies that we could by
requiring that participants bring the Varsity Scout Guidebook. Most
referenced items were included in the book and copying was not necessary.
David K Higginson
Roosevelt, UT 84066
>From: David Loomis <dloomis@...>_________________________________________________________________
>To: "Boris, Anthony" <ABoris@...>
>CC: SCOUTS-L@..., Scouter-T <email@example.com>
>Subject: [Scouter_T] Re: training cost question - long
>Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:16:33 -0500
> Our local policy is that we compute the costs of providing the
>handouts in the syllabus, food costs, and any special equipment, tack on
>a small percentage for council - to help fund other courses which may
>go over budget - and there's your fee. Additionally we frequently add
>on a late registration increment/fee of $ 3 - $ 5 to cover the extra
>costs of reproducing handouts at the last minutes for many of our more
>involved training, University of Scouting, Commissioner College, and
>Pow-Wow come to mind.
> What do we reproduce? Any material suggested in the syllabus to
>be handed out to participants, some courses have lots more material than
>others, but we feel that participants should get everything mentioned in
> Why do we include this late registration fee? Well, the last
>Venturing Leader Specific Training course I ran had 10 leaders
>pre-registered, so fortunately we had decided to hold it at the Scout
>Service Center, because over 18 showed up. The Venturing and High
>Adventure exec fired up the council's high speed copier and we ran off
>the extra 8 sets of participant handouts, plus another few to cover all
>bases. We also used the council's plumbed-in commercial coffee maker
>during breaks, for which we paid as well. I might add that in my
>council folks have a habit of registering late for events to insure that
>the event will actually occur before they send in their money - a really
>good reason to always hold a scheduled event, training or not. At our
>last University of Scouting we had people showing up who had faxed their
>registration to council the previous day, who were unhappy that their
>course schedules were not ready, awaiting their arrival.
> That brings up an additional point. Frequently we fail to charge
>or budget for copying or mailing expenses because we have a member on
>the training course staff who has copying privileges at work, or because
>we use council equipment and programs to copy or mail material. This is
>false planning and economy. because frequently these services will not
>become available when needed. It is far better to plan on commercial
>reproduction of course materials, and mailings, or budget a certain
>amount of money to accomplish these tasks do them at the council office,
>and pay council for the service! Yes **PAY** council for using their
>equipment and facilities. It may sound like a radical idea, paying for
>things that we might obtain for free, but putting courses on a paying
>basis makes good financial sense, and frequently results in our being
>able to use these services again in the future!
> Putting it bluntly, councils are in the business of selling a
>product, Scouting, and have lots of equipment devoted to this business,
>equipment for which you would pay dearly, were you to contract it out to
>local companies. Equipment like computers with laser printers, high
>speed copying machines, with collating and built-in stapling options,
>letter folding machines, comb binders with built-in punches, along with
>supplies like reams of colored paper, envelopes, and address labels.
>Councils can provide these items to courses at a fraction of the cost
>that you would pay down town, but you must be willing to do much of the
>work - councils are becoming shorter and shorter of staff due to
>enforces economies - and pay for the costs of the material you use for
> Getting back to the original question, we make every effort to
>provide copies of every page provided in the syllabus, as well as every
>bit item listed in the course materials as items to be given to the
>participants. These items and reference numbers are provided to us as
>guided so we can obtain them and make them available to the learners, so
>that they may better understand and retain the material we are
>presenting. Omitting them does the participants a disservice, and makes
>our job as trainers that much more difficult.
>Boris, Anthony wrote:
> >I am a new cub scout training chair for our district. I have noticed
>online that many districts and councils charge for New Leader Essentials
>and Leader Specific for the Cub and Boy Scout trainings. Can any of you
>let me know if you pay to get basic trained? And what type of handouts,
>books, literature, trained strips, do you receive when you go?
>To reply, click on the mailto: address below.
>Dave Loomis mailto: dloomis.nh.ultranet@...
>245 Union St. (603) 431 5342
>Portsmouth, NH 03801-4349
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