Re: Board of Review situation
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Cstrek97@a... wrote:
> I got some heat from the mother. THAT'S what's bothering me.I would feel "hung out" by the Scoutmaster. Steve indicates best and
proper practice for what should have happended around and at the
Scoutmasters' conference before the board of review. I would ask
myself how well am I doing with the SM. How good is my feedback in
general and specifically on the earlier occassion of reservations
about the first class board. Rarely, should bad boards be a boy's
problem. My philistine attitude: That's what we pay the big bucks to
the SMs for. My tendency in answering to Mom: Sorry, our procedures
"Often wrong, never uncertain"
- Is it possible that the Scout in question has
Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD)? Not all these
cases involve hyperactivity (ADHD) and actually
some ADD kids are introverted and will not give an answer
even if they know it. If a boy has special needs
they should be made known to the board before the review.
I'm not saying that this is so in this case, but it is
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- Pete wrote...
> Is it possible that the Scout in question hasI was going to bring up the same thing, but have not had time to
> Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD)? Not all these
> cases involve hyperactivity (ADHD) and actually
> some ADD kids are introverted and will not give an answer
> even if they know it. If a boy has special needs
> they should be made known to the board before the review.
> I'm not saying that this is so in this case, but it is
> a possibility.
compose the reply. I have to add, too, that many of these kids
will know the answer until you ask them, at which point you get the
"deer in the headlights look" and their mind goes totally blank.
It's not for no reason that the older advancement materials
indicated that "testing for rank" was to be by SM observation.
I.e., when the SM saw the Scout performing the required task, it
was quietly signed off.
For a boy with ADHD, testing becomes MAJOR STRESS. You know, that
could also explain the "in your face" parent.
The SM Conference is to reinforce that learning and to find out how
the boy is doing in his own mind. The BOR is a review of the Troop
The SM and ASMs are not to sit on the BOR, because if the Scout is
having a problem with one of them, and he sees you as one of them
as well, he won't speak up and will eventually leave.
That is one reason why I question the BOR members wearing the
uniform around the Scouts. They see the uniform, and you become a
SA or SM in their minds.
Chuck Bramlet -- Phoenix, Az. ----- mailto:antelope95@...
I "used to be" an Antelope! -- WEM-10-95
Thunderbird District -- Grand Canyon Council
Committee Member at Large, Roundtable Staff -- Member DNRC
"The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing"
-- Stephen R. Covey
- Obviously I have not checked this group in a while. The previous
answers were all good but there is one thing that was barely touched
on that might also help.
We had a similar situation. It didn't get to the BOR level
fortunately. Dad was not involved with the troop due to job pressure.
Mom was (is) a definate type A personality ( and a generally
wonderful person but...). Her son was going to make Eagle and time is
The Scouts in our troop (like most Scouts) know what the score is and
will not put up with half baked leaders. The Scout in question could
do almost anything required of him as long as an adult wasn't around.
If there was an adult around, he had a hard time tying his shoes.
We (the adults who went out to things other than meetings) have seen
him do the stuff when the boys didn't know we were around.
It turns out he was intentionally blowing the tests. My son was SPL
and told me in confidence. He ( the Scout) did not feel he was ready
for the advancement his mother was pushing him for but would not
complain to any of the other adults and could not/would not confront
his mother. (I can understand the last. Although she is a generally
nice person, I would be reluctnat to oppose her on anything I didn't
feel very strongly on. Very posative personality.)
Patrick A. Hoage