- Ida wrote... ... Remeber the old saying about If you reallywant to learn some- thing, teach it to someone else. ;) YiS, ChuckMessage 1 of 15 , Sep 30, 2003View SourceIda wrote...
> We 'assume' that once they've completed TDC and assisted with courses, theyRemeber the old saying about "If you reallywant to learn some-
> can probably teach any segment, as long as they're familiar with the
> material (i.e. as long as they read the syllabus to understand what they're
thing, teach it to someone else." ;)
- ... My point exactly....learning the subtle differences doesn t require an additional three hour commitment. ... Agreed. ... I would hope a trainer isMessage 2 of 15 , Oct 1, 2003View SourceJamie Dunn replied:
> Ken Walker writes:My point exactly....learning the "subtle differences" doesn't require
> > Doesn't that seem like it's asking a lot for a Pack Trainer?
> Not really - there are subtle differences between each of these
an additional three hour commitment.
> Yes, the basic content is very similar - the "slant" you presentAgreed.
> for your audience varies depending on who you're teaching.
> Unless you've experienced these various nuances, youI would hope a trainer is familiar with these nuances for her/his
> may not be able to communicate them as a trainer.
session. That's why I don't do the Cub Scout Den Leader session....I
could, but don't have any front line experience like I do for CM,
WDL, and committee.
> The pack trainers (all three or four of us) with whom I'veMaybe that's why there are only 3 or 4 Pack Trainers in your
> worked in my district haven't had any problem with this
district. It's my understanding that EVERY pack is supposed to have a
Trainer. This position "replaced" the Den Leader Coach. It's a pack
resource and not intended to be a district training resource.
Like all things in a Scouting group....it's just my 0.02 worth, and
your mileage will definitely vary.
- ... Which is why its important for a pack trainer to attend all of them. S/he is going to be training outside their comfort zone. They _will_ be training forMessage 3 of 15 , Oct 1, 2003View SourceIn a message dated 10/1/2003 1:50:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Ken.Walker@... writes:
> I would hope a trainer is familiar with these nuances for her/hisWhich is why its important for a pack trainer to attend all of them. S/he is going to be training "outside their comfort zone." They _will_ be training for positions they have never filled. The candidate for a pack trainer is "an experienced leader" - someone with 2-3 years, perhaps, as a den leader. They haven't had the luxury (as I have) of being around for 14 years, and "done it all". They need to understand what goes into being a committee member, versus what they may have done as a den leader.
> session. That's why I don't do the Cub Scout Den Leader session....I
> could, but don't have any front line experience like I do
> for CM,
> WDL, and committee.
>Maybe that's why there are only 3 or 4 Pack Trainers in yourYeah, and every pack was "supposed" to have a Den Leader Coach AND a Webelos Den Leader Coach! Our district had one in 45 packs. Increasing to four packs with Pack Trainers is a step up! Face it, we're a luxury. You fill the den leaders, Cubmaster, committee chair jobs and breathe a sigh of relief. I doubt that will change. I agree totally, that Pack Trainers are resources for their pack - some of those with whom I've worked have also asked to train on the district level. Others prefer not to. I'm cool with that - we have lots of good trainers, and don't rely on the Pack Trainers to fill the district level jobs.
>district. It's my understanding that EVERY pack is supposed to have a
>Trainer. This position "replaced" the Den Leader Coach. It's a pack
>resource and not intended to be a district training resource.
Blaine/Coon Rapids, MN
Cub Scout Training Chair
3 Rivers District