Re: Webelos Outdoor Skills & BALOO
- I don't have my copy of BALOO in front of me, but I thought there was a
specific prohibition printed therein against combining it with another
Alamo Area Council
> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 13:28:20 -0000
> From: "Lady T" <eagleladyt@...>
> Okay, the burning question from my group this fall: Why can't you
> adjust the Webelos Outdoor syllabus to cover the BALOO topics so that
> the person who has WOLS can also be BALOO certified without having
> had to sit through another full day of training?
- "Richard Damon" <rdamon@...> hit the
nail on the head:
"The big issue is that the skills being taught are
actually quite different. My understanding is that
Webelos Outdoor Leader Skills is teaching the
Leader how to deliver a challenging and exciting
program geared for a 9-10 year old Webelos Scout, and
ways to teach the Outdoor Group activity badges.
BALLO deals with administering a safe and fun PACK
campout which has boys (and their family) from as
young as 6 to 11 years old.
BALOO assumes that the leader and many of the
participant may well be first time campers, and
teaches an easier style at a more basic level."
The two courses are aimed at providing diffewrent
outcomes. WLOT is designed to help Webelos Den
Leaders put on an effective outdoor program for
Webelos Scouts while reminding them that there are
certain age specific things that should be left to Boy
Scouts (Woods tools, as an example, are different for
Webelos Scout and Boy Scouts).
BALOO is designed to help a new cub scout leader plan
and execute an age approriate and safe pack camping
There is a BIG difference between the desired
outcomes. Thus different courses with different syllabi.
Daniel D. Hammond, Sr. MA
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- Lady T asked: "Why can't you adjust the Webelos Outdoor syllabus to
cover the BALOO topics so that the person who has WOLS can also be BALOO
certified without having had to sit through another full day of
The short answer is that BALOO is a certification course, so it has to
be taught exactly as written. Also, changing the focus of WLOT to
accommodate non-Webelos leaders would be cheating the Webelos Leaders in
The longer answer, at the risk of duplicating what you've already heard,
is that they're two different courses that happen to have some topics
that are similar in name, but different in learning objectives. BSA
actually has several courses that cover camping and outdoor skills to
some extent, but they all have different target audiences and different
desired outcomes. They are not interchangeable.
(Side note to Major Hammond - it's good to see someone else use the word
(Side note to my neighbor Donna - running WLOT and SMF together was a
common practice. The new OLSWDL course is designed to run equally well
with the new IOLS course.)
Hudson Valley Council, NY
- Fred Goodwin, CMA wrote:
>I don't have my copy of BALOO in front of me, but I thought there was aThat is my understanding also. It is printed in the syllabus.
>specific prohibition printed therein against combining it with another
>Alamo Area Council
Pardon my 'lateness' as I'm a few days behind in my scout mail lists.