Re: [Scouter_T] What counts toward Boy Scout Camping?
- If you had asked about Advancement or merit badge credit I would have
said no. But for camping nights, I can't see any reason to deny him
credit for this. This is neither novel nor new. We give credit for
camping overnighters if done with the family, service projects, school
outing or some other (outside of scouting) activity. Let him have it. I
don't believe there are any regs to the contrary.
Council Training Chairman
Central Florida Council (Orlando)
>We have a novel situation here in our Troop with a new Scout. He did
>not attend a BSA summer camp but did attend Cub Scout camp with his
>younger brother. He was a Boy Scout at that time but it was not a
>Boy Scout camp so does that camp time count in our record keeping?
>I'm thinking specifically of the camping time needed for Order of
>the Arrow (15 nights) and the Camping Merit Badge (20 nights). Any
>help would be appreciated as I'm the record keeper.
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> From: "lmic657" <LMic657@...> wrote:But Jim, that's exactly what she did ask:
> He did not attend a BSA summer camp but did attend
> Cub Scout camp with his younger brother.
> Jim <scoutingislife@...> wrote:
> If you had asked about Advancement or merit badge
> credit I would have
> said no.
>Anyway, here's my response. I'm a Scoutmaster, OA
> I'm thinking specifically of the camping time needed
> for Order of the Arrow (15 nights) and the Camping
> Merit Badge (20 nights).
member, and a Camping MB Counselor. I'm also on
various training staffs.
The OA camping requirement is:
After registration with a troop or team, have
experienced fifteen days and nights of Boy Scout
camping during the two-year period prior to the
election. The fifteen days and nights must include
one, but no more than one, long-term camp consisting
of six consecutive days and five nights of resident
camping, approved and under the auspices and standards
of the Boy Scouts of America. The balance of the
camping must be overnight, weekend, or other
If you visit that site, you'll see that "BOY SCOUT
CAMPING" is bolded, to clarify the requirement, which
brings "Cub Camp" into question, just as you wondered.
The same site states the Unit Leader determines that
this requirement has been met.
The relevant part of the camping MB is:
"Show experience in camping by doing the following:
Camp out a total of at least 20 days and 20 nights.
(You may use a week of long-term camp toward this
requirement.) Sleep each night under the sky or in a
tent you have pitched.
As always, the MB Counselor determines this has been
So, I'd need more information to answer the answer.
What kind of "Cub Camp"? Are you talking about Day
Camp? That would clearly not meet either requirement,
as no camping nights are done at Day Camp.
Are you talking about a Cub RESIDENT camping event?
Was it long enough? (e.g., our council used to have a
Webelos Resident camp, but it was 4 nights, not 5).
Did he sleep in a tent he pitched? Not in a cabin or
something. It's okay to sleep in a summer camp wall
tent, but he'd need to strike & re-pitch it (and yes,
I have my boys do just that).
Assuming that nights & tents were involved, I'd have
no problem counting these nights for camping merit
You might ask your local lodge chapter their opinion.
In the end though it is the "unit leader"'s call. As
a SM, I would be hard pressed to use them for OA, but
would certainly seek to give the scout the benefit of
SM T-142, UC
AOL, Eagle/3, OA/B, SB
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- Linda asked:
> We have a novel situation here in our Troop with a new Scout. He didJust remember that for Camping Merit Badge - all the nights must be under
> not attend a BSA summer camp but did attend Cub Scout camp with his
> younger brother. He was a Boy Scout at that time but it was not a
> Boy Scout camp so does that camp time count in our record keeping?
> I'm thinking specifically of the camping time needed for Order of
> the Arrow (15 nights) and the Camping Merit Badge (20 nights). Any
> help would be appreciated as I'm the record keeper.
the stars or in a tent (preferably one that the Scout has pitched himself)
and only one week of long term camping can be applied towards the merit
badge. Any camping that the Scout has done since joining Boy Scouts that
meets these requirements would count towards the merit badge. Camping in
general, again since joining Boy Scouts, would count towards the OA
If you want to continue this discussion, please email me privately or let's
take this over to a forum that deals with other issues besides training,
Council Advancement Committee
Detroit Area Council