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  • Scouter Chuck
    I was speaking with the new Training Chair for our District last night. He told me that he doesn t want the same people giving the same training time after
    Message 1 of 7 , Aug 6 9:52 AM
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      I was speaking with the new Training Chair for our District last
      night. He told me that he doesn't want the same people giving the
      same training time after time -- that he wants a pool of trainers
      to call upon, to give the different trainings.

      I have a few problems with this approach -- most of them practical
      rather than personal.

      1. The requires a larger pool of trainers
      2. The person who can moderate an excellent BS-BLT may not be able
      to moderate (TDC)TTT or TCC well at all.
      3. Some people don't like to moderate certain trainings.
      4. Most of us don't like to be moved around that often.
      5. Not very many trainers are suited to certain subjects -- like
      YPT.

      I'm interested in hearing any discussion on this issue.

      YiS,

      Chuck Bramlet -- Phoenix, Az. ----- mailto:antelope95@...
      I "used to be" an Antelope! WEM-10-95 Member DNRC
      Firebird District Committee Member at Large -- Grand Canyon Council
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    • Mullaney, Peter [AMSTA-AR-WES]
      My guess is that he doesn t want the courses to become stale. If you do the same course over and over again do you have the same enthusiasm the tenth time you
      Message 2 of 7 , Aug 6 10:10 AM
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        My guess is that he doesn't want the courses to become stale.
        If you do the same course over and over again do you have the
        same enthusiasm the tenth time you do it as compared to the
        first time you did it? I'm not saying this is right, only that
        this may be what he is thinking. Perhaps he got this from course
        feedback, or personal experience? Have you discussed your points
        (below) with him?

        Pete Mullaney

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        From: Scouter Chuck [mailto:antelope95@...]
        Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:53 PM
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        Subject: [Scouter_T] Trainer Pool?


        I was speaking with the new Training Chair for our District last
        night. He told me that he doesn't want the same people giving the
        same training time after time -- that he wants a pool of trainers
        to call upon, to give the different trainings.

        I have a few problems with this approach -- most of them practical
        rather than personal.

        1. The requires a larger pool of trainers
        2. The person who can moderate an excellent BS-BLT may not be able
        to moderate (TDC)TTT or TCC well at all.
        3. Some people don't like to moderate certain trainings.
        4. Most of us don't like to be moved around that often.
        5. Not very many trainers are suited to certain subjects -- like
        YPT.

        I'm interested in hearing any discussion on this issue.

        YiS,

        Chuck Bramlet -- Phoenix, Az. ----- mailto:antelope95@...
        I "used to be" an Antelope! WEM-10-95 Member DNRC
        Firebird District Committee Member at Large -- Grand Canyon Council




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      • Dave Loomis
        While freshness can be an advantage, you end up reinventing the wheel each training session, as you re-staff the sessions. When I was doing the old Six
        Message 3 of 7 , Aug 6 10:35 AM
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          While freshness can be an advantage, you end up reinventing the
          wheel each training session, as you re-staff the sessions. When I was
          doing the old Six Session BS Leader Training and the new Venturing
          training, I was fortunate to have experts in most of the subjects being
          taught, and I used them in their specialty. I figured it would not be
          too efficient to use my prime outdoor cooking specialist to teach unit
          financial tools and my CPA to teach outdoor cooking, but, as always,
          YMMV. My reasons seem much like those you listed.

          If you don't chose to go this way, you end up like the old Wood
          Badge course that took up to six months of staff preparation before the
          course even started, as you train each prospective trainer in his
          presentation and training methods.

          Dave

          Scouter Chuck wrote:

          > I was speaking with the new Training Chair for our District last
          > night. He told me that he doesn't want the same people giving the
          > same training time after time -- that he wants a pool of trainers
          > to call upon, to give the different trainings.
          >
          > I have a few problems with this approach -- most of them practical
          > rather than personal.
          >
          > I'm interested in hearing any discussion on this issue.
          >
          > YiS,
          >
          > Chuck Bramlet

          To reply, click on the mailto: address below.

          Dave Loomis mailto:dloomis.nh.ultranet@...
          245 Union St. (603) 431 5342
          Portsmouth, NH 03801-4349
        • Brant Lippincott
          I would LOVE to have a larger pool of trainers. Any ideas on recruiting some more?? I am the Cub training chair for our district. I feel the same way about
          Message 4 of 7 , Aug 6 10:49 AM
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            I would LOVE to have a larger pool of trainers. Any
            ideas on recruiting some more??

            I am the Cub training chair for our district. I feel
            the same way about trainers. I would love to have 3
            or 4 or 5 folks who could each each of the
            cub-specific courses. I'm OK on NLE, but if I had a
            pool of trainers, I could likely get two per course
            with no problem. Right now, it seems like pulling
            teeth. I would not have anyone teach a course he/she
            did not want to. However, if I did not have someone
            to cover a particular course (e.g. Webelos), I would
            like to be able to ask someone else (e.g. Cubmaster).
            It's not a job where you would be required to do
            something. It's not like I have 10 people knocking
            down my door to be a trainer.

            I agree that not everyone is suited to or wants to
            teach every course. However, it's good sometimes to
            get out of your comfort zone.

            Burnout is a factor... We try and keep jobs to 2 or
            at the nost 3 years. (At least the chairs.) After
            that, burnout sets in and you are not as good.
            Trainers are a little different, but if I had 5 people
            who could do, say Webelos, you would do it once/year
            OR maybe I could offer the course 3x instead of
            2x/year.

            Just MHO. YMMV.

            For the boys,
            Brant Lippincott
            Cub Training Chair
            Great Plains District - Circle 10
            Plano, TX
          • Kevin Pate
            ... Brant, I stepped out from under my training hat about: 2 years back for Cub Basics 1.5 years back for BALOO 1 year back for Cub RT but when I was actively
            Message 5 of 7 , Aug 6 11:10 AM
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              --- Brant Lippincott <brant@...> wrote:
              > I would LOVE to have a larger pool of trainers. Any
              > ideas on recruiting some more??

              Brant,

              I stepped out from under my training hat about:
              2 years back for Cub Basics
              1.5 years back for BALOO
              1 year back for Cub RT
              but when I was actively involved, the best trainers we
              had in my immediate area each had something in common.
              Each began quite small, say a 10-15 minute segment of
              a course or 1/3 to 1/2 of the old leader breakout
              sessions, or even smaller, bringing and leading one
              skit, song or game to Roundtable.

              Those who had a lot of fun or got bit by the training
              bug and wanted to be more involved were able to do so,
              either by taking on a larger segment or helping more
              often. Those who enjoyed helping but needed to limit
              their involvement (job constraints, spousal
              constraints, time weith family, whatever) could be
              counted on to come back again for a single segment,
              some for only one 15 minute segment a year, but they
              did it well and with energy, and that's what was
              important.

              It was more work on me in recruiting and scheduling,
              but it was worth it. Our sessions were enjoyable, and
              several times I was able to hold myself to the
              pre-organization, intros and some pizazz items. And if
              someone's wee one went ill on the morn of training
              day, I was free to jump in instead of figure out how
              to fit in yet another session.

              'Start Small' though was how I originally slid under a
              trainer's hat myself so it was very natural to
              continue the tradition once I knew I was bit.

              Kevin outta Norman, America

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            • JNDunnMN@aol.com
              ... In our district, we are able to make this approach work. We have a large district. Geographically, we cover two whole counties, and a sliver of a third.
              Message 6 of 7 , Aug 6 11:42 AM
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                In a message dated 8/6/03 11:55:08 AM, antelope95@... writes:


                > He told me that he doesn't want the same people giving the
                > same training time after time -- that he wants a pool of trainers
                > to call upon, to give the different trainings.
                >
                >
                In our district, we are able to make this approach work. We have a large
                district. Geographically, we cover two whole counties, and a sliver of a third.
                There are approximately 95 units in the district of
                which 45-50 are packs, approx. 30 are troops and the remainder are crews. We
                have approximately 40-50 individuals on the district training team,
                responsible for NLE, Cub Scout and Boy Scout Position Specific courses, Den Chief
                training, YPT, BALOO, WLOT, and IOLS. Venturing training is done on a council level.
                Trainers are assigned to the Cub Scout or Boy Scout sections, primarily by
                unit affiliation (but not necessarily). In general, members of the Commissioner
                Corps are not recruited as trainers, although we have some. At our large mass
                sessions in Fall & Spring, we make a point of having a Venturing unit adult
                leader as a NLE presenter, in addition to Cub Scout and Boy Scout presenters (we
                like the idea that it reinforces the continuum of Scouting)

                We conduct NLE and YPT 7-8 times (each) during a September through June
                program year. We teach Troop Committee Challenge 3-4 times, SM/ASM twice, Cub Scout
                PST 7 times, IOLS/BALOO/WLOT on a single weekend once (we hope to make this
                twice, soon), and Den Chief training once. On occasion we also present a
                district level JLT. In addition, we will present NLE, YPT, or any position specific
                course (except SM/ASM) on a unit level with one month's notice. We end up
                doing 6-8 additional sessions of this type each year. We are also hoping to
                conduct some supplemental training this year on our mega training days. As you can
                see, providing this level of training with 10-15 individuals would be deadly
                for the trainers, if not logistically impossible.

                How do we make it work? We look out for individuals who show up at RT, and
                other events who are articulate and knowledgeable, and invite them to be
                trainers. If they say no, we ask again in a couple months. We emphasize that they are
                not making a commitment to every course date, but only one or two. We
                recognize them with certificates and public appreciation at roundtable and other
                events (district dinner). Every individual who trains for me gets a personal
                hand written thank you note after each session s/he teaches. We provide them with
                syllabuses far in advance, so they can prepare. They "apprentice" as second
                chair trainers with an experienced trainer. We conduct our own district level
                TDC. We have a couple "Presentation Gurus" who help with A/V, so the trainers
                don't have to worry about equipment.

                This year's training schedule was created last February and has been
                published for several months.
                However, the first question I will be asked when I walk into Roundtable in
                September will be - "When can I get my new leaders trained?". My answer will
                be: "Any time you want".

                YiS,
                Jamie Dunn
                Pack Trainer
                P. 512
                Blaine/Coon Rapids, MN
                Cub Scout Training Chair
                3 Rivers District


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              • Lloyd Solis
                ... Chuck Bramlet ... It must be nice to have a pool of trainers adequate to satisfy the needs of this District Training Chair. We have one or two such
                Message 7 of 7 , Aug 6 12:17 PM
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                  Scouter Chuck wrote:

                  >I was speaking with the new Training Chair for our District last
                  >night. He told me that he doesn't want the same people giving the
                  >same training time after time -- that he wants a pool of trainers
                  >to call upon, to give the different trainings.
                  >
                  >I have a few problems with this approach -- most of them practical
                  >rather than personal.
                  >
                  >1. The requires a larger pool of trainers
                  >2. The person who can moderate an excellent BS-BLT may not be able
                  > to moderate (TDC)TTT or TCC well at all.
                  >3. Some people don't like to moderate certain trainings.
                  >4. Most of us don't like to be moved around that often.
                  >5. Not very many trainers are suited to certain subjects -- like
                  > YPT.
                  >
                  >I'm interested in hearing any discussion on this issue.
                  >
                  >YiS,
                  >
                  Chuck Bramlet


                  >
                  >
                  It must be nice to have a pool of trainers adequate to satisfy the needs
                  of this District Training Chair.
                  We have one or two such districts in our council. Most of us have a
                  handful of 'old faithfuls' and the rare emergence of a new energetic
                  person willing to become a part of the team.

                  My #1 goal has always been quality over quantity. Our council SE has
                  mandated four consecutive September NLE / LST Saturday sessions in each
                  district. That's a practical impossibility for us. We just don't have
                  that many dedicated and qualified people; they certainly aren't willing
                  to give up four consecutive Saturdays in one month. This is year 3 of
                  that mandate. So far my district has managed ONE quality session in
                  each of the past two years. This year our new District Training Chair
                  is trying for more, including two Sunday 1-5 sessions to accommodate
                  those who work Saturdays. Problem is getting teams together and
                  recruiting participants.
                  I am a real stickler for staff development. I abhor trainers who feel
                  they can 'wing-it' and depend on others to 'wing it' along with them.
                  That's what we've had - with Basic, YPT, Fast Start, NLE, LST, and even
                  BALOO. When they won't take the time to plan it right, I offer my
                  regrets and don't participate.

                  Lloyd
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