Re: [Scouter_T] TDC
- Sharp, Annemarie wrote:
>Our council held a Trainer Development Conference this past Saturday. I-- 60 seconds is the recommended time frame. Remember, the intent is to
>was a presenter for one of the sessions, and will be co-chairing the
>event next year. We had a few hitches, but by and large it went well. I
>have a few questions to pose to the list:
>1.) How long do you give for the BSA 500 quiz after each session? We had
>one team get very upset because they thought 60 seconds wasn't nearly
make it fun by adding a little competition and "esprit de corps" into
the mix. This is a "game with a purpose" and the purpose here is to get
everyone excited and trying to win. Besides, didn't you also note how
time constrained you were? :-)
>2.) How many participants do you run through at one time? We had 18 in-- We average 30-50 per class. We've handled as many as 100+. If you
>our session. It was a bit crowded due to space, but I think we could
>have handled more in a larger area.
divide them up into teams of 6-8 this makes for more teams, thus more
competition, and smaller learning and discussion groups. It also makes
the right size per table. The size and layout of your facility is very
important to the success of the conference. Fellowship halls, large
conference type rooms, even gymnasiums (with flexible table and chair
arrangement) make good locations. Auditoriums or rooms with fixed or
stadium type seating do not work well with this conference.
>3.) How long does the entire course take for you? We had a difficult-- The recommended time schedule seems adequate but tight. It does not
>time staying on schedule, while we finished on time, we were really
>rushed, and we used lunch and breaks to make up time.
allow a lot of flexibility for an over abundance of discussion or Q&A.
You have to keep to your schedule and keep things moving quickly,
especially the BSA 500 question and "race" period at the end of each
session. Little things make a big difference. It starts with
registration - get as much done ahead of time as you possibly can. This
means an emphasis on pre-registration, preprinting of things like name
tags, preparation of paperwork, etc. As far as lunch goes, we try to
feed everyone onsite (included in TDC cost) to save some time (45 min.
max.). Also, having the right equipment prepped, staged and ready to go
I believe it is the intention of the course to be run tight time
wise. It forces you to keep things moving, which inturn makes for better
participation and the time seems to go by quicker, making it a better
experience for the participants. Also, adequate prep on the part of the
presenters is essential in getting the material delivered in the
>4.) How often do you hold a TDC? We've been doing it once a year, but-- This is really a matter of meeting the needs of your individual
>I'd like to see it done twice a year.
Council. We are a large Council, so we hold TDC's 3-4 times a year
(about every 3-4 months). That may not work for every Council. You
really need to assess the local need and respond accordingly. The other
side of this coin is demand, that is, how well you promote this course
in your Council. That makes a difference too. Start with the Council's
Training Committee and Wood Badge Course Director(s) to create interest.
The DE's and Council Program staff can have a big influence too. Also
push with the individual training chairs and key 3 in each district. It
is their best interest to have as many instructors of training course
"trained" through TDC as possible. Obviously RT's., Council web site,
and Council newsletter promotion is important too. We have found that no
one avenue of promotion is adequate in reaching a majority of adult
leaders. Do what seems to work beat to get the word out of the benefits
and importance of this course.
>5.) Do you always have it in the same location? We have a pretty large-- Our Council is fairly large too, covering seven counties and almost 3
>council geographically. Some people had to drive nearly three hours
hours drive from one end to the other. Most of the time we try to hold
in a central location. Recently, we have been experimenting with holding
every other TDC in a remote area of the Council, moving it around to
make it more convenient for that particular area to participate. This
really only works well when it is also promoted heavily in that area
that is best served.
>6.) Any other suggestions?-- Educate about the TDC's benefits whenever and wherever you can, and
promote, promote, promote!
At least once a year we put an article in our Council newsletter
explaining all about TDC and its importance.
Hope some of this helps. It takes a lot of work to properly prepare for
one of these conferences, but it makes a big difference in the quality
of the training and is worth the extra effort when it comes off well
Sand Lake District Training Chair
- Having attended and staffed both, I find them almost completely different in scope and audience.
TDC is a toolbox course. It provides a wide variety of nuts and bolts to develop training aids with very little pre-course preparation and only limited practical training/exercise.
Trainer's EDGE is a more practical course with extensive pre-preparation and with over half the course dedicated to practical exercises, delivery, and review of individual presenter skills.
Gerry correctly notes that TDC is an excellent initial training development course. Trainer's EDGE is a different animal.
I have found that this two-tier system of training; one for NYLT and WB and one for everything else to be counter-productive.
From: Gerry <gerrymoon32817@...>
Sent: Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:38 pm
Subject: [Scouter_T] Re: TDC
I partly agree with you, Dave. I think there needs to be one unified head at National that can clarify training policy between Cubs, Boy Scouts and Venturing, as well as all these District and Council-level courses. And they need to work in alliance with the program people, so that when the training folks supercede an old training with a new one, somebody who doesn't wait for a year goes and looks at the program stuff like requirements for knots and updates that so that everyone is on the same page. This disjointed communication has us volunteers making up our own rules because nobody is driving the boat, so to speak.
IMHO, EDGE is a course to educate trainers in the standardization of the training methods we use in Scouting so that we are all doing it the same.
IMHO, TDC is a course to educate novice trainers to use the tools of the trade, so to speak, so that they can begin to do training and have their first attempts not fail because they don't have a clue how to train.
I found TDC very helpful when I was a trainer wannabe. By the third trip, though, I wasn't getting much more from it.
I found EDGE (I attended a pilot course, so it was a little rough around the edges, but it's getting better) not so much a course on how to conduct a training session as a new methodology for delivery - but it isn't really a "NEW" methodology, just one that we are trying to expand to all reaches in Scouting where skills are taught and learned.
EDGE works as well for teaching Commissioner skills as it does for tying square knots, as well for developing an event budget as it does for making a dump cake or a box oven. We have been doing it for years. It just has a name now.
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