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  • Sean Scott
    Laura asked: We have a Yahoo Group we ve started for our training needs in the District. Do any of you have one for your area? What kinds of things do you put
    Message 1 of 8 , Jan 17, 2003
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      Laura asked: We have a Yahoo Group we've started for our training needs in
      the District. Do any of you have one for your area? What kinds of things do
      you put on them? <snip>


      Laura,

      I've been running such a list in my district for about 3 years now. It is a
      'broadcast only' list so people cannot randomly post to it. There is a
      similar list in our council that allows postings, and they invariably turn
      to the "Here's this great joke, let me forward it to all my friends..."
      variety.

      Content is pertinent district happenings, with a focus on training events
      and roundtable. Being mostly involved in the Cub portion of things, it tends
      to focus on that program, but I like to add any Boy Scouting, Venture and
      Varsity info I have.

      I believe that if you can make the newsletter amusing, people are more
      likely to read it. I started out with a themed posting, but I quickly ran
      out of themes. It evolved into the "Top 10 List" idea, one which I freely
      admit I stole from another RT commissioner back east. I figure that by
      sprinkling the list items through the newsletter, people are more likely to
      read it or at least *see* some of the things and perhaps become curious
      enough to read them.

      Like you, I include links. I also add an inspirational quote or two, and
      directions to our two RT's. Here are some samples. I hope you enjoy them.

      YiS,
      Sean
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      Hurry, hurry, hurry! September is here, and with it comes the start of a
      brand new year of Scouting! Don't be left behind--Stop by Roundtable this
      month and get in on all the fantastic deals, before they're gone, at our
      spectacular September Scouting Event! Get yourself a part of: The Ultimate
      Scouting Machine!

      Come to either one of our special event sales, where Quality Scouting is Job
      One. At the Lake Elsinore
      Roundtable, on Thursday, September 5th at 7:30PM, our staff will be on hand
      making crazy deals on every bit of Scouting on our lot! Or come by the
      Hemet Roundtable on Thursday, August 26th at 7PM, where we've told our
      managers to accept any offer, however ridiculous it may be! (Scroll down for
      driving directions.) Scouting--Oh, What a Feeling!

      Attending Roundtable every month is one way to tell that you're dedicated to
      your Scouts, but this month we present to you...The Top Ten Ways to Tell if
      You're Too Involved in Scouting!

      10. You put Velcro on your uniform shirt to allow quick switches of your
      position patches.

      Credit, no credit, bad credit, we'll get you into the Scouting program of
      your choice, no questions asked! Need a
      program idea? We've got them! Need help making your meetings run smoothly?
      Our experts will steer you in the right direction!

      Cub Scout Breakout
      October's theme is "It's a Jungle of Fun" and if you're not going to
      Roundtable we're gonna go ape! Why hack your way through the dense
      undergrowth all by yourself, when we can show you the quick, smooth path to
      success as a Cub Scout leader? Bring your best animal impressions, 'cause
      Tarzan is in charge this month!

      For additional program ideas to help you plan your October den and pack
      meetings, take a look at the following web sites, which offer Roundtable
      handouts for you to download or print:
      http://usscouts.org/bbugle/bb0209.pdf
      http://www.macscouter.com/CubScouts/PowWow02/Oct02.pdf
      http://pages.prodigy.net/lisabackussmith/Handouts/It's%20A%20Jungle%20of%20F
      un.PDF
      http://www.pack235.org/leaderinfo/2001Powwow/19-October2002-Jungle.pdf
      http://homepage.mac.com/cnjc_powwow/pdf/2002%20sections%20folder/jungle%20of
      %20fun%20book.pdf
      http://www.creighton.edu/~bsteph/pack114/library/rtable/02Oct.doc

      And check out these sites for some general program ideas, as well as links
      to information on Webelos activity badges:
      http://www.wtsmith.com/rt.html
      http://www.arkie.net/scouting/Training/Roundtable/Handouts/

      9. Your best clothes have cargo pockets on them.

      Webelos Den Leaders
      Looking for some help planning your Webelos meetings? We have resources for
      running your activity badges, too!
      Showman:
      http://www.pack235.org/leaderinfo/2000Powwow/webelos/Showman.pdf
      http://www.macscouter.com/CubScouts/PowWow99/CircleTen/Web18.pdf
      Citizen:
      http://www.pack235.org/leaderinfo/2000Powwow/webelos/citizen.pdf
      http://www.macscouter.com/CubScouts/PowWow99/CircleTen/Web4.pdf

      8. You've written Disney at least once, asking them to re-release "Follow Me
      Boys" on video and DVD.

      Philmont Report
      Yours truly just returned from the Philmont Training Center, and I've got
      oodles of information to share! Get the skinny on new books, coming changes
      to the Scouting program, rumors squashed, and the new Character Connections
      program, all in my Special Report at the Lake Elsinore Roundtable on
      September 5th!

      7. You shop garage sales for tents, Dutch ovens and old Scout uniforms.
      6. You know 50 variations on "My Bonnie Lies Over the Ocean."

      Wood Badge for the 21st Century: September 16-21
      Time is running out--Wood Badge is less than two weeks away! ALL
      leaders--Cub Scout, Boy Scout, Venturing and Varsity--are invited to attend
      Wood Badge! That's right, the new Wood Badge for the 21st Century is open to
      and available for any Scout leader that has completed basic training for
      their position!

      What is Wood Badge? It's the ultimate leadership experience! The skills and
      techniques you learn during Wood Badge will not only help you be a better
      Scout leader, but also flow into the other areas in your life--home, family,
      and work--giving you the tools to be a better parent, spouse and employee!

      For more information on Wood Badge, or to register, simply reply to this
      message!

      5. Your business trips are strategically arranged to take you near other
      Council's headquarters and Scout Shops,
      just so you can see if they have any stuff your own council doesn't.
      4. You can't wait for the Roundtable newsletter so you can forward the "Top
      Ten" to all your Scouting buddies.

      Boy Scout, Varsity and Venture Breakouts
      Scout leaders, there's always something going on at Roundtable for you, too!
      Zoom-zoom over to Roundtable and catch up on all the latest district and
      council activities, get your tour permits signed, or renew your Youth
      Protection Training. Or, just hang out in the back and catch up with other
      leaders!

      MegaVersity: October 19th
      MegaVersity is the greatest training event you'll ever attend. Imagine being
      able to choose from over 75 different classes on everything Scouting, from
      Tiger Cubs to Venturing and everything in-between! Sign up before October
      11th and pay only $15 for a day of information, fun and adventure, plus
      lunch, a CD full of valuable program material and handouts from many of the
      classes! (After October 11th, the cost rises to $25.) Pick up a flyer at
      Roundtable and sign up soon so that you'll be guaranteed the sessions you
      want most! (Shameless plug: I recommend Ceremony Magic, Creative Campfires,
      Fun Recognitions and Cubmaster Craziness...)

      3. You turned a cheap, ugly Hawaiian shirt into a uniform and made a
      complete fool of yourself, just to promote an event.
      2. No time to cook? Two words: Foil packs!

      Online Cub Leader Fast Start Training
      Cub leaders, BSA has made Fast Start training available online at:
      http://www.bsa.scouting.org/cubscouts/ faststart/. Make sure that every
      leader in your unit takes this training within 48 hours of becoming a
      registered leader!
      And the number one Way to Tell if You're Too Involved in Scouting!

      1. You have a "Trained" strip on your pajamas.

      Why Roundtable?
      Roundtable is a supplemental training event meant to make your job as a
      leader easier! Our monthly sessions include ideas and resources to help you
      plan the coming month. Think of how much time you would invest on
      brainstorming ideas, collecting information and planning meetings. Compare
      that to the 60-90 minutes spent at Roundtable, where we provide tested,
      proven meeting plans, a fun environment and energizing interaction with your
      fellow leaders, and you'll see that Roundtable actually saves you time! If
      you want to Do Your Best and Be Prepared for your Scouts, Roundtable is
      where you need to be!

      Driving Directions
      <snip>

      Anger dwells only in the bosom of fools
      --Albert Einstein
      The most important human endeavor is the striving for morality in our
      actions. Our inner balance and even our very
      existence depend on it. Only morality in our actions can give beauty and
      dignity to life.
      --Albert Einstein
      A hundred times every day I remind myself that my inner and outer life
      depend on the labors of other men, living and dead, and that I must exert
      myself in order to give in the same measure as I have received and am still
      receiving.
      --Albert Einstein
      Only a life lived for others is a life worthwhile.
      --Albert Einstein

      Scouting Websites
      US Scouting Service Project
      http://usscouts.org/
      The granddaddy of all Scouting web sites!

      Virtual Cub Leader Handbook
      http://www.geocities.com/~pack215/
      A great resource for Cub Leaders, this is a site you'll come back to again
      and again!

      Scouts-L
      http://usscouts.org/usscouts/netresources/scoutsl.html
      A mailing list for all Scout Leaders. This is the Roundtable that never
      ends, and probably the largest Scout mailing list in existence. Leaders from
      around the world participate in this 24-hour forum. Chances are good that
      any question you have about Scouting can be answered here!

      Cub Scout Talk
      http://groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/Cub-Scout-Talk
      A mailing list for Cub Scout Leaders. Ask questions and share ideas with
      around 700 Cub Leaders from around the country on topics such as ceremonies,
      recruitment, advancement, ADD and activities!

      Tahquitz District
      http://ciec07bsa.hypermart.net/

      Cahuilla Lodge 127
      http://www.snakepower.org/

      California Inland Empire Council
      http://www.bsa-ciec.org/

      Online Cub Leader Fast Start Training
      http://www.bsa.scouting.org/cubscouts/faststart/

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      From the home office in Redlands, here is this month's top ten list of
      rejected fundraising ideas...

      10. Council strips replaced by corporate sponsorship patches.

      Roundtable is the place to cash in on all great ideas to keep your program
      running in the black! And at a price you can't beat--FREE! With two events
      every month, think of all the money you'll save! (With electricity prices
      what they are, why not use our air conditioning?) The Tahquitz west
      roundtable takes place in Lake Elsinore at 7:30PM Thursday, July 5th! The
      Tahquitz east roundtable is in Hemet at 7:00PM Thursday, July 26th! (See
      below for driving directions.)

      9. Professional hypnotysts hired as Friends of Scouting presenters.

      Cub Breakout Sessions
      This month's theme is "Summer Songfest!" We'll put a song in your heart and
      a smile on your face with handouts and tips for keeping excitement and
      adventure in your pack and den! Plus, we'll have some important additional
      information on the changes to the Webelos and Tiger programs that you won't
      want to miss!

      8. "A bear market is good, right?"

      Boy Scout, Varsity and Venture Breakout Sessions
      Boy Scout, Varsity and Venture leaders, you can bet your bottom dollar that
      our Roundtable staff has a cache of ideas waiting to be discovered! Check
      out what they have to offer this month--we guarantee you won't be
      disappointed, or your money back!

      7. "What exactly do you mean by 'pyramid scheme?'"

      Day Camp Castaways
      There's still some room in the Wildomar twilight camp, but we need your
      registrations ASAP or you'll miss the boat to adventure on "Cub Scout
      Castaway Island!" Call the council offices at 825- 8844 and ask for
      volunteer services to get your boys in while there's still room!

      6. New council phone number: 1-900-BSA-CIEC.

      BALOO is Back!
      That's right, BALOO is returning to Temecula on September 29th! BALOO stands
      for Basic Adult Leader Outdoor Orientation, and as of 1/1/2002, it's
      mandatory for at least one person in each pack to be BALOO trained before a
      tour permit will be issued for pack overnighters. (See the link for the new
      Guide to Safe Scouting, below...) This time, BALOO is taking you for a
      little island getaway! After you've had BALOO, cub camping will be smooth
      sailing! Come see what all the Hula-BALOO is about--Reply to this email for
      more information and details on booking your cruise!

      5. Roundtable staff reads fortunes during breakouts.

      Den Chief Training
      Scoutmasters, are your Scouts serving as Den Chiefs? Cubmasters, does each
      of your dens have a Den Chief? If you answered no, read on! A den chief is a
      Boy Scout who ventures back into the jungle of Cub Scouting, practicing the
      leadership skills he's learning with a local tribe of Wolves, Bears or
      Webelos! To survive, he'll need some special skills, like captivating young
      Cub Scouts with games and puzzles, occupying them with contests and tricks,
      calming them with song, and dealing with their leaders! Fortunately, Den
      Chief Training prepares prospective Den Chiefs with all this and more! And
      on Saturday, September 22nd, Den Chief Training is coming to Tahquitz! Get
      the word out to your troops and packs, and encourage your boys to sign up
      for this local event. To register, or for more information, reply to this
      email or beat a message on your talking drums!

      4. Pinewood Derby Tollbooths

      MegaVersity
      MegaVersity is PowWow on steroids! It's an entertaining council training
      event taking place Saturday, October 20th, for all Scouters and parents,
      from Tiger Den Leaders to Crew Advisors, Scoutmasters to Unit Commissioners.
      At MegaVersity, you pick the sessions that most interest you, whether it's
      improving on your outdoor cooking skills, learning all about derbies,
      staging recognition ceremonies, or anything in-between! Another district
      has challenged all comers to a lashing competition--Will we let the prize go
      unchallenged? Let's hope not! If you want to be a part of MegaVersity,
      reply to this email or surf on over to the MegaVersity website at: http://
      www.geocities.com/megversity/

      3. Camp Emerson Casino and Entertainment Center.

      Why Roundtable?
      Roundtable is a supplemental training event meant to make your job as a
      leader easier! Our monthly sessions include ideas and resources to help you
      plan the coming month. Think of how much time you would invest on
      brainstorming ideas, collecting information and planning meetings. Compare
      that to the 60-90 minutes spent at Roundtable, where we provide tested,
      proven meeting plans, a fun environment and energizing interaction with your
      fellow leaders, and you'll see that Roundtable actually saves you time! If
      you want to Do Your Best and Be Prepared for your Scouts, Roundtable is
      where you need to be!

      2. Roundtable now broadcast via Pay-Per-View.

      ...And the number one rejected council fundraising idea:

      1. What do you mean, "Someone else is already selling cookies?"

      Driving Directions
      <snip>

      "...Looking back in a life of over eighty years, I realize how short life is
      and how little worth while are anger and political warfare. The most
      worth-while thing is to try and put a bit of happiness into the lives of
      others."
      Robert Baden-Powell, from his farewell letter to the general public.

      Useful Scouting Websites
      <snip>
    • Dan Kurtenbach
      I run an unofficial Yahoo! Group for our District. There are two main functions: first, to broadcast information by email; second, as a repository for
      Message 2 of 8 , Jan 17, 2003
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        I run an "unofficial" Yahoo! Group for our District. There are two main
        functions: first, to broadcast information by email; second, as a
        repository for documents (things like the District Calendar, Pinewood
        Derby rules, training course flyers, Camporee information, the approved
        BALOO campsites list, etc.) that Scouters can download.

        As to the emails, I don't really make any attempt to put things in any
        kind of a "newsletter" format. I just forward things on as they come
        in. They might be announcements from District leaders or activity
        chairs, or material from Roundtable, or items of interest pulled off
        this list or others, or information or requests from a Scouter in the
        District to the rest of the Scouter community.

        It seems to be a pretty useful tool. I send list invitations to
        everyone who comes to Roundtable and provides an email address on the
        sign-in sheet, and we're up to a couple of hundred members now, with (I
        think) at least one from every unit. And I moderate all messages and
        screen all new member requests that I didn't initiate. We've never
        really had "discussions"; it is pretty much "news you can use." I do
        end up fielding a lot of individual email questions in response to
        something that has gone out. I answer when I can, and forward the email
        on to the knowledgeable person when it is easier or more appropriate to
        do so.

        Something I have thought might be useful from time to time is a list for
        Boy Scout leaders, a separate list for Cub Scout leaders, a separate
        list for Scouters in District positions, etc., but haven't really done
        anything about that.

        Hope this helps.

        Dan Kurtenbach
        Fairfax, VA
      • antelope95@cox.net
        Sean: I am requesting forwarding permission. My cousin and I set up a broadcast only list like yours, and the District secretary (on AOL no less) is refusing
        Message 3 of 8 , Jan 17, 2003
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          Sean:

          I am requesting forwarding permission. My cousin and I set up a broadcast only list like yours, and the District secretary (on AOL no less) is refusing to use it. She "doesn't see the need", I guess.

          I'd like to forward this to her as an idea...

          YiS,

          Chuck
          >
          > From: "Sean Scott" <sscott@...>
          > Date: 2003/01/17 Fri PM 12:23:18 EST
          > To: <scouter_t@yahoogroups.com>
          > Subject: Re: [Scouter_T] District or Council Groups? (Examples included--longish)
          >
          > Laura asked: We have a Yahoo Group we've started for our training needs in
          > the District. Do any of you have one for your area? What kinds of things do
          > you put on them? <snip>
          >
          >
          > Laura,
          >
          > I've been running such a list in my district for about 3 years now. It is a
          > 'broadcast only' list so people cannot randomly post to it.
        • Sean Scott
          Chuck asked: I am requesting forwarding permission. My cousin and I set up a broadcast only list like yours, and the District secretary (on AOL no less) is
          Message 4 of 8 , Jan 17, 2003
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            Chuck asked: I am requesting forwarding permission. My cousin and I set up
            a broadcast only list like yours, and the District secretary (on AOL no
            less) is refusing to use it. She "doesn't see the need", I guess. I'd like
            to forward this to her as an idea...


            Chuck,

            Forward away as needed. Feel free to take a look at the past two years worth
            of messages at Yahoo Groups under the list "Tahquitz-RT".

            Regarding problems with spam, no complaints from any members. Like Dan, most
            of my group is web-only, and because I've blocked non-administrator viewing
            of membership, the only spam they do get is Yahoo spam. (Wait, I'm not
            saying that some spam is good and other spam isn't, but Yahoo spam ain't
            that bad compared to some I get...)

            Incidentally, really good articles in SysAdmin Magazine this month on
            setting up a mail server on your home network to virtually eliminate spam,
            even on your Hotmail and Yahoo! web-based mail accounts. Looks like I'll
            have a project for the weekend...

            YiS,
            Sean
          • Scouter Chuck
            Sean wrote... ... Thanks. ... Thanks for that, too. I ll forward her (Dist. Sec.) the idea, too. ... Are you aware that Yahoo sells that list? Also, see my
            Message 5 of 8 , Jan 18, 2003
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              Sean wrote...

              > Forward away as needed.

              Thanks.

              > Feel free to take a look at the past two years worth of messages
              > at Yahoo Groups under the list "Tahquitz-RT".

              Thanks for that, too. I'll forward her (Dist. Sec.) the idea, too.

              > Regarding problems with spam, no complaints from any members.
              > Like Dan, most of my group is web-only, and because I've blocked
              > non-administrator viewing of membership, the only spam they do
              > get is Yahoo spam. (Wait, I'm not saying that some spam is good
              > and other spam isn't, but Yahoo spam ain't that bad compared to
              > some I get...)

              Are you aware that Yahoo sells that list? Also, see my comments to
              Dan.

              > Incidentally, really good articles in SysAdmin Magazine this
              > month on setting up a mail server on your home network to
              > virtually eliminate spam, even on your Hotmail and Yahoo! web-
              > based mail accounts. Looks like I'll have a project for the
              > weekend...

              So, how do I get a copy? >:) Thanks for the info.

              YiS,

              Chuck Bramlet -- Phoenix, Az. ----- mailto:antelope95@...
              I "used to be" an Antelope! WEM-10-95 Member DNRC
              Firebird District Committee Member at Large -- Grand Canyon Council
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              "The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing"
              -- Stephen R. Covey
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            • Sean Scott
              ... I used to work for Yahoo and will say that their policy on spam (and list sales) was pretty decent, compared with Microsoft and AOL. Yahoo is in the
              Message 6 of 8 , Jan 18, 2003
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                > > Regarding problems with spam, no complaints from any members.
                > > Like Dan, most of my group is web-only, and because I've blocked
                > > non-administrator viewing of membership, the only spam they do
                > > get is Yahoo spam. (Wait, I'm not saying that some spam is good
                > > and other spam isn't, but Yahoo spam ain't that bad compared to
                > > some I get...)
                >
                > Are you aware that Yahoo sells that list? Also, see my comments to
                > Dan.

                I used to work for Yahoo and will say that their policy on spam (and list
                sales) was pretty decent, compared with Microsoft and AOL. Yahoo is in the
                position of supporting a massive system of mail groups like this one, which
                incur a tremendous cost to them. They've done surveys in the past and
                discovered that most members would leave with a very bitter taste if they
                made Groups a paid service. And the experiences of a couple other list hosts
                who converted to subscriptions and lost business elsewhere demonstrated that
                netziens can get nasty when their free services get pulled.

                So while not all spam is good spam, Yahoo is doing (in my opinion) a pretty
                good job of riding the fine line of maintaining excellent service for their
                Groups, while not trying to turn it into a money maker in and of itself.
                Just making sure it's self sufficient. Personally, I've found that most
                Yahoo spam comes from spamhauses grepping through the unprotected member
                lists of the groups themselves. Group owners have the ability to restrict
                access to the membership lists, but by default they're left wide open.

                > > Incidentally, really good articles in SysAdmin Magazine this
                > > month on setting up a mail server on your home network to
                > > virtually eliminate spam, even on your Hotmail and Yahoo! web-
                > > based mail accounts. Looks like I'll have a project for the
                > > weekend...
                >
                > So, how do I get a copy? >:) Thanks for the info.

                You can pick up a copy at most Barnes & Noble booksellers for $5.95. The
                article is in the Feb 2003 issue, which arrived in my mailbox yesterday, so
                it may not be on the shelves yet. Check their website at www.sysadminmag.com
                for more info.

                YiS,
                Sean
              • Scouter Chuck
                Sean: You wrote... ... Fie! Fie!! ;) I do have a relevant questions, though: Is there any way to contact a _real_live_ person at Yahoo help? All I ve
                Message 7 of 8 , Jan 18, 2003
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                  Sean:

                  You wrote...

                  > I used to work for Yahoo and will say that their policy on spam
                  > (and list sales) was pretty decent, compared with Microsoft and
                  > AOL.

                  Fie! Fie!! ;)

                  I do have a relevant questions, though: Is there any way to
                  contact a _real_live_ person at Yahoo help? All I've managed to
                  get is the canned response.

                  One of the things they do that ticks me off, is to limit my filters
                  to 15, and blocks to 100. Now, 100 block is OK, but I have to
                  block a full address.

                  One of the spammers that I get uses the following usernames:

                  funformondaynnnn@...
                  funfortuesdaynnnn@...
                  funforwednesdaynnnn@...
                  funforthurdaydaynnnn@...
                  funforfridaynnnn@...
                  funforsatdaynnnn@...
                  funforsundaynnnn@...

                  In addition, they have several other addresses that they use.

                  I would _like_ to be able to block everything from yourbigvote.com.
                  They don't give me the option. But, if I wanted to filter it, I
                  could filter is by the address fragment.

                  This whole spam issue is a real heartburn to me, but I'm also
                  enough of a realist to know that if the US passes a law against
                  spam, the spammer will just move to Tonga or Shanghai, where it's
                  not regulated, and US law doesn't apply.

                  I also find it interesting that Microsoft Outlook won't allow me to
                  set an address to block. So, at work I have to filter by the
                  address fragment to a folder, usually named "spam", and then go in
                  there and delete it.

                  I also am annoyed with them because our company policy says to not
                  respond to the "remove me", or even open the stuff. But I have to
                  open it to get the address to block.

                  Also, I just found out that when one goes on vacation and set the
                  "out of Office Assistant", that responds to each address --
                  spammers included, and my rules don't work.

                  Talks about a protection racket... :(

                  I could go one, but I think you get the picture.

                  BTW, did you hear about the fellow that had a political anti-tax
                  website that got permanently banned by one ISP? The ISP used the
                  spam rules against him on the unsolicited email. but all he was
                  doing was allowing people to send email to their legislators, using
                  his system. Each email was from a different person, but went to
                  all 110 legislators. The legislative webmaster blocked the domain,
                  and all the rejections went to his ISP.

                  Personally, I think it's a stretch. If the capitol had received
                  30,000 emails about that tax hike, maybe they should have listened?
                  :/

                  That's on Worlnetdaily.com, in today's (weekend) edition. If you
                  are one that reads their stuff. Every time I post anything from
                  there to one of the lists, Ted Burton on one of the others posts a
                  reply that states "Hardly a reliable source". Oo.:(

                  YiS,

                  Chuck Bramlet -- Phoenix, Az. ----- mailto:antelope95@...
                  I "used to be" an Antelope! WEM-10-95 Member DNRC
                  Firebird District Committee Member at Large -- Grand Canyon Council
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                  "The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing"
                  -- Stephen R. Covey
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                • Wendell Brown
                  ... I m using a freeware program called POPFILE that uses statistical probability to auto-categorize messages as spam or clean. If it puts something in the
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                    On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 18:00:36 -0500, Scouter Chuck wrote:

                    >I also find it interesting that Microsoft Outlook won't allow me to
                    >set an address to block. So, at work I have to filter by the
                    >address fragment to a folder, usually named "spam", and then go in
                    >there and delete it.

                    I'm using a freeware program called POPFILE that uses statistical
                    probability to auto-categorize messages as spam or clean. If it puts
                    something in the wrong bucket, you go tell it where it goes and it will
                    guess better on messages like that in the future. After about 3 weeks
                    it's guessing better than 98% correctly. It works with almost any
                    e-mail program that uses POP (ie, not web based).

                    In outlook, I set my pop server to point to popfile - and it points to
                    my real pop server. When I retrieve messages, it guesses if they are
                    good or spam and adds a header record (or a [spam] to the subject)
                    which I use to filter the spam into a spam folder.

                    > http://popfile.sourceforge.net/

                    Hope you find this useful!
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