Re: [Scouter_T] Problem with 'Rules"
- On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 08:50:09AM -0400, Ida Lively wrote:
>OK hang on a second though.
> Think of Boy Scout Merit Badges ... you either need one scout and a
> parent/guardian or two or more scouts in order to follow Youth Protection
> Unless you only have one person in your Pow Wow class, I don't see how this
> would be an issue; however, if your council so demands, you must obey.
"Two-Deep" is NOT the YP rule that applies to scouts going to see a MB
counselor. That rule is "No One-on-One contact". In this particular
case, it is perfectly OK for a scout to bring a 'buddy' (i.e. another
scout or a sibling) to go see the counselor. The requirement is that
the adult not be alone (one-on-one) with the scout -- this means either
another adult OR another youth.
Of course, as a MB counselor one might want to make sure there is
another ADULT present for *your* protection as well as the scouts.
We tell den leaders the same thing -- even though the G2SS says that
two leaders are required for "trips and outings" (and den meetings
are neither a trip nor an outing) there should always be at least one
other adult present.
Going back to "two-deep" I think you'll find that this rule has been
around a lot longer than YP has, and it started out as a safety
precaution -- if there is only one adult present on a hike (for example)
what happens if that adult gets injured or has a medical problem?
The BSA has generalized that rule and is now pushing us to *always*
have a 'backup' leader in place -- for example, a pack should always
have a trained CM *AND* a trained Assistant Cubmaster who can take
over if the CM is unavailable. I think this makes a lot of sense.
Do you want to have to cancel a troop outing because the only adult
trained in Safety Afloat or First Aid had to back out at the last
Going back to this specific case I think what this council is trying
to avoid is the situation where an instructor can't show up at the
last minute. If there is another person who is ready to teach the
class then if the instructor wakes up with a 24-hour bug the morning
of the Pow Wow then they won't have to cancel that session!
For our council's last Pow Wow we were told that as instructors it
was *our* responsibility to have a backup plan if we couldn't attend
at the last minute. We were *encouraged* to train someone else so
they could teach our class but it wasn't an absolute requirement.
That's my take on the whole thing. Maybe I've missed something, but
I think the idea is to avoid having to cancel a session, NOT anything
to do with YP or safety.
Stu Allen email: allensr@...
CM/SA Pack/Troop 92