Re: [Scouter_T] Leader Eligibility Question
I came up against the problem as well. I don't know your parent but I feel that his CURRENT lifestyle should be considered as well.
The parent in our pack had been booted out of the military for drug use and I thought she was clean but still could see where she put herself in situations that would possibly cause difficulty. Also her attitude was a problem, she saw nothing wrong with what she had done and that is what she was teaching her son.
I know this doesn't really answer your question but maybe it gives you something else to consider.
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- You've not said what your Chartered Organization
Representative or Chartered Organization said about the person. If
the person can explain that the conviction was some time ago and has a
clean record, run it through BSA and see what happens. This way
you'll have something solid to go on, not just opinions.
If your other people feel strongly enough about this person,
include letters of recommendation with the application. This may sway
the balance in the applicant's favor.
--- In scouter_t@y..., "Sean Scott" <sscott@d...> wrote:
> My apologies for the cross post, but I've been asked a question I
don't know the answer for. Go figure!
> A parent in our district has filled out an application to be a den
leader, but has a conviction for drug possession eight years ago. The
committee chair for his pack initially told him no. Subsequently, one
of our DE's has said that after being "clean" for ten years, he may
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I have never seen a written policy on how long the professionals
require an adult to wait after a drug conviction before they will sign
their approval on the form. From what you have said, it seems to vary,
possibly by Council or the opinion of the various professionals.
There are 2 other signatures required on the application as well,
Committee Chair and Charter Organization Representative.
If at any step in the process one of the 3 approvers says "no" then the
application is declined. I have never heard of the BSA forcing a unit
to accept an adult who they do not belive should be a leader based on
Basically, the minimum requirements of the BSA are on the application.
If a Unit or Charter Organization has a higher standard, then their
standard prevails for their Unit(s). For example, some Charter
Organizations require that certain positions with a unit be filed by
members of the organization, and some Charter Organizations will not
approve female leaders in positions other than the Committee.
In this case, the Committee Chair has indicated that they do not
approve of this adult becoming a leader in their unit. That is their
right and the application stops at that point.
Yours in Scouting,
--- firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:10:52 -0700
From: "Sean Scott" <sscott@...>
Subject: Leader Eligibility Question
... The committee chair for his pack initially told him no. ...
Thanks in advance for your wisdom,
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- On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:10:52 -0700, "Sean Scott"
What I'm looking for is referenceable, quotable, documented BSA
policy, NOT opinion or guesswork or assumption, that supports this
individual being allowed or prevented from becoming a leader.
I'm not certain you'll find any such thing. What I'm aware of is:
(a) There is (or was at one time) a BSA restricted "policy /
prodedure" document available to Council Executives, which I *think*
is called Maintaining Membership Standards. Ask your CE/DE to check
that specific documentation. It may or may not help.
(b) A few years ago the unit recharter materials included a letter
to all unit committee chairs and unit leaders about it being the
responsibility of the UNIT to conduct reference checks and criminal
record checks before submitting the individual's application to the
(c) The law varies from state to state. Some councils in certain
states are required by law to conduct criminal record checks for all
applicants. In addition to requiring the council to conduct the
record checks, the law probably documents what convictions are
barriers to registration and for how long ... which may also vary
from state to state. Other councils in other states leave records
checks to the discretion of the unit leadership.
(d) Policies may also vary from council to council. It is possible
that your council's executive board may have established policies
that are more restrictive than other council's in your state.
In the absense of anything more definitive, I would look to the
membership application itself. It requires three signatures: the
committee chairman, the chartered organization representative, and
the council executive (or representative thereof). If either the CC
or COR say "no", and in this case the CC in question "initially"
said "no", I think that ends the matter ... at least until / unless
that CC changes his / her mind or is replaced. If those two
signatories both say "yes", then forward the application to the
council office, let the council's registrar and executives handle
it. (For all you should know, it could / should be "business as
usual" for them.) Reminder: At reregistration time, either the CC
or the COR can always cross a name off the roster ... there's no
guarantee of continued registration.
Personally, I would *hope* that the decision makers involved would
base their decision on the individual in question. TALK to the
person. My personal opinion on suitability would vary depending on
whether or not the person in question was a parent at the time the
offense took place, whether or not the person is a parent now,
whether the person is applying for a committee position (not
necessarily in direct contact with the Cubs) or a den leader
position (direct contact), what that person's attitude is NOW to
his/her actions THEN, etc. And my opinion would be influenced by
many other CURRENT factors ... does the person CURRENTLY: smoke,
swear, drink excessively, have too many traffic citations, etc.
Personally, I would *not* view the note of conviction on the
application as a disqualifier. Look at it positively ... the person
filled in the application honestly, truthfully. That tells me
something. The conviction itself is a negative influence; admitting
it is a positive influence ... net position ... neutral. So,
evaluate the other factors, the TOTAL PICTURE.
My $.05 worth;