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Re: [Scouter_T] Re: Trip Adult Leader

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  • jlshannon
    Very well put Sir! Sent from my iPhone ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
    Message 1 of 11 , Aug 27 9:53 AM
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      Very well put Sir!

      Sent from my iPhone

      On Aug 27, 2013, at 10:35 AM, "A. Dukovic" <artdukovic@...> wrote:

      > No, I think BSA is very clear; these are "minimums" folks?? These days Units are having trouble finding parents that will help and rather than cancel events, BSA has always had "minimums" ok; any leader however, already knows the problem(s) with using "minimum" adults on any event. One "trained" leader and any adult is, as most of us already know, just asking for trouble before you start; anyone getting sick, needing a trip to the hospital, or any emergency is going to require "two deep" leadership and starting out with ONLY two, makes this impossible.
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      > When we teach SMASM, YPT, Specifics, etc., yes we teach folks the "minimums" but we also warn of the hazards of those "minimums" as well. Nobody wishes to "cancel" any events, but lack of participation by adults is one very good reason to and prevent problems before they happen; when we are forced to "cancel" events here, we always let the youth know specifically why, and THEY go home and complain and nag to their parents, not us. Pressure from the youth, we've found, is one of the few ways to motivate parents to participate; foolproof no, but it works pretty well??
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      > Enough help is the first thing everyone needs to succeed and this just might work for some of you too??
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      > -Art
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      > From: Michael Dotson <michaeldotson@...>
      > To: "scouter_t@yahoogroups.com" <scouter_t@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 10:09 AM
      > Subject: [Scouter_T] Re: Trip Adult Leader
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      > It seems problematic if not irresponsible of BSA for not being more clear on this. Why would you not require the one registered and trained adult to be a SM or ASM, since that position requires thorough training to lead outings. Much more than a Troop Committee or COR, who are not required to be trained in outdoor leadership/camping/hiking/etc.
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      > I get two deep leadership and at least a 2nd adult not necessarily SM/ASM trained, as well as both having YPT, as well as Hazardous Weather and other trainings required for the trip.
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      > Michael Dotson, SM Troop 88, San Francisco
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