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  • Donna F. Williams
    How are you all tracking percent trained for the District/Council? Scout Net is as inaccurate as they come? Scouting Picture.jpg Donna F. Williams Gulf Ridge
    Message 1 of 30 , Dec 2, 2012
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      How are you all tracking percent trained for the District/Council? Scout
      Net is as inaccurate as they come?



      Scouting Picture.jpg

      Donna F. Williams

      Gulf Ridge Trainer

      Unit Commissioner





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    • mcquaidfam@comcast.net
      HI, We took the Training Not completed report , looked up each person in the training validation part of MyScouting. THEN, using a couple reports/lists from
      Message 2 of 30 , Dec 2, 2012
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        HI,
        We took the "Training Not completed report", looked up each person in the training validation part of MyScouting. THEN, using a couple reports/lists from the training page of Scouting.org (to the right, quicklinks) figured out what folks were missing.


        The training validation page gives you everything in Scoutnet.
        The lists from Scouting.org tell you what they needed to take when. EG: Took position specific at a time when they needed New Leader Essentials. so, to be trained by that standard, they need NLE. Now, NLE is no long available.


        that's another problem for discussion. But at least you know what they are missing.


        The "training" button is based on what position they were registered for when they took the "basic" training for that position. NOT what is required now.


        Much experimentation figured that out. don't ask what I did, because I am NOT telling.


        I am finding that our records weren't as bad as I thought, but that NLE or some other simple thing is causing problems.


        We also created a "training audit" sheet, and asked people to write down what they remember taking. We used that to enter those missing courses into Scoutnet..


        Yours in Scouting,
        Marian Mcquaid
        Registrar
        Boston Minuteman Council

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        From: "Donna F. Williams" <williamsdfw@...>
        To: "scouter t" <scouter_t@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 10:02:39 AM
        Subject: [Scouter_T] Percent Trained Figure

        How are you all tracking percent trained for the District/Council? Scout
        Net is as inaccurate as they come?



        Scouting Picture.jpg

        Donna F. Williams

        Gulf Ridge Trainer

        Unit Commissioner





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      • Dan Smith
        We are also using the Training Not Completed Report . Our District Training Committee is taking that report and canvassing each unit to find out what errors
        Message 3 of 30 , Dec 2, 2012
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          We are also using the "Training Not Completed Report". Our District Training Committee is taking that report and canvassing each unit to find out what errors exist in the ScoutNet data and getting them corrected and then giving the remaining untrained heavy encouragement to help their unit by completing the training for their position. It is slow work but the percentages are starting to reflect a positive upward trend.

          Dan Smith
          Chattahoochee District Commissioner
          Northeast Georgia Council

          Sent from my iPad

          On Dec 2, 2012, at 11:22 AM, mcquaidfam@... wrote:

          > HI,
          > We took the "Training Not completed report", looked up each person in the training validation part of MyScouting. THEN, using a couple reports/lists from the training page of Scouting.org (to the right, quicklinks) figured out what folks were missing.
          >
          > The training validation page gives you everything in Scoutnet.
          > The lists from Scouting.org tell you what they needed to take when. EG: Took position specific at a time when they needed New Leader Essentials. so, to be trained by that standard, they need NLE. Now, NLE is no long available.
          >
          > that's another problem for discussion. But at least you know what they are missing.
          >
          > The "training" button is based on what position they were registered for when they took the "basic" training for that position. NOT what is required now.
          >
          > Much experimentation figured that out. don't ask what I did, because I am NOT telling.
          >
          > I am finding that our records weren't as bad as I thought, but that NLE or some other simple thing is causing problems.
          >
          > We also created a "training audit" sheet, and asked people to write down what they remember taking. We used that to enter those missing courses into Scoutnet..
          >
          > Yours in Scouting,
          > Marian Mcquaid
          > Registrar
          > Boston Minuteman Council
          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: "Donna F. Williams" <williamsdfw@...>
          > To: "scouter t" <scouter_t@yahoogroups.com>
          > Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 10:02:39 AM
          > Subject: [Scouter_T] Percent Trained Figure
          >
          > How are you all tracking percent trained for the District/Council? Scout
          > Net is as inaccurate as they come?
          >
          > Scouting Picture.jpg
          >
          > Donna F. Williams
          >
          > Gulf Ridge Trainer
          >
          > Unit Commissioner
          >
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        • Lisa Titus
          But Marian - Aren t you still missing those Scouters that took the online training but have not linked their membership number with their username? I ve found
          Message 4 of 30 , Dec 2, 2012
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            But Marian -

            Aren't you still missing those Scouters that took the online training
            but have not linked their membership number with their username?

            I've found this is often the case when checking on leaders in my
            unit. It occurred to me last year. When I pulled up their
            membership ID, I would see ONLY youth protection -- even when I clicked
            the button for all training. Eventually, I figured out that when we
            submitted the membership application with the attached YPT certificate,
            the registrar was inputting the YPT trained date once the membership
            number was generated. But there was NO link between that and any other
            training the Scouter took.

            Lisa



            On 12/02/2012 11:22 AM, mcquaidfam@... wrote:
            > HI,
            > We took the "Training Not completed report", looked up each person in the training validation part of MyScouting. THEN, using a couple reports/lists from the training page of Scouting.org (to the right, quicklinks) figured out what folks were missing.
            >
            >
            > The training validation page gives you everything in Scoutnet.
            > The lists from Scouting.org tell you what they needed to take when. EG: Took position specific at a time when they needed New Leader Essentials. so, to be trained by that standard, they need NLE. Now, NLE is no long available.
            >
            >
            > that's another problem for discussion. But at least you know what they are missing.
            >
            >
            > The "training" button is based on what position they were registered for when they took the "basic" training for that position. NOT what is required now.
            >
            >
            > Much experimentation figured that out. don't ask what I did, because I am NOT telling.
            >
            >
            > I am finding that our records weren't as bad as I thought, but that NLE or some other simple thing is causing problems.
            >
            >
            > We also created a "training audit" sheet, and asked people to write down what they remember taking. We used that to enter those missing courses into Scoutnet..
            >
            >
            > Yours in Scouting,
            > Marian Mcquaid
            > Registrar
            > Boston Minuteman Council
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: "Donna F. Williams" <williamsdfw@...>
            > To: "scouter t" <scouter_t@yahoogroups.com>
            > Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 10:02:39 AM
            > Subject: [Scouter_T] Percent Trained Figure
            >
            > How are you all tracking percent trained for the District/Council? Scout
            > Net is as inaccurate as they come?
            >
            >
            >
            > Scouting Picture.jpg
            >
            > Donna F. Williams
            >
            > Gulf Ridge Trainer
            >
            > Unit Commissioner
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
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          • Michael Crothers
            I am luck in as my council has issued me a limited access password into ScoutNet. I select Program, select Training, and select training report. It take me
            Message 5 of 30 , Dec 2, 2012
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              I am luck in as my council has issued me a limited access password into ScoutNet.

              I select Program, select Training, and select training report.

              It take me about 1 1/2 hours to down load the data.

              You have to go to each  program. ie Cub Scouting, Boy Scouting etc. and down load each registered position in that program
              separately. 

              It give you the following:
              Name
              Unit
              Registered position
              Trained Yes or No
              last date youth protection was taken (Y01, Y02, & Y03)
              If youth Protection has been taken Yes or No (but not if it is current)
              Position required training to be trained Yes or No for each required training course by training code.   

               

              Yours In Scouting


              Mike CrothersTecumseh Council Training Chair
              Springfield Ohio




              I used to be a good old Bob White NE-CS-11
              and a good old staffer too NE-CS-13
              and I used to be a good old Fox WE4-57-06


              ________________________________
              From: Dan Smith <dansmith40@...>
              To: "scouter_t@yahoogroups.com" <scouter_t@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 12:13 PM
              Subject: Re: [Scouter_T] Percent Trained Figure


               
              We are also using the "Training Not Completed Report". Our District Training Committee is taking that report and canvassing each unit to find out what errors exist in the ScoutNet data and getting them corrected and then giving the remaining untrained heavy encouragement to help their unit by completing the training for their position. It is slow work but the percentages are starting to reflect a positive upward trend.

              Dan Smith
              Chattahoochee District Commissioner
              Northeast Georgia Council

              Sent from my iPad

              On Dec 2, 2012, at 11:22 AM, mcquaidfam@... wrote:

              > HI,
              > We took the "Training Not completed report", looked up each person in the training validation part of MyScouting. THEN, using a couple reports/lists from the training page of Scouting.org (to the right, quicklinks) figured out what folks were missing.
              >
              > The training validation page gives you everything in Scoutnet.
              > The lists from Scouting.org tell you what they needed to take when. EG: Took position specific at a time when they needed New Leader Essentials. so, to be trained by that standard, they need NLE. Now, NLE is no long available.
              >
              > that's another problem for discussion. But at least you know what they are missing.
              >
              > The "training" button is based on what position they were registered for when they took the "basic" training for that position. NOT what is required now.
              >
              > Much experimentation figured that out. don't ask what I did, because I am NOT telling.
              >
              > I am finding that our records weren't as bad as I thought, but that NLE or some other simple thing is causing problems.
              >
              > We also created a "training audit" sheet, and asked people to write down what they remember taking. We used that to enter those missing courses into Scoutnet..
              >
              > Yours in Scouting,
              > Marian Mcquaid
              > Registrar
              > Boston Minuteman Council
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: "Donna F. Williams" <williamsdfw@...>
              > To: "scouter t" <scouter_t@yahoogroups.com>
              > Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 10:02:39 AM
              > Subject: [Scouter_T] Percent Trained Figure
              >
              > How are you all tracking percent trained for the District/Council? Scout
              > Net is as inaccurate as they come?
              >
              > Scouting Picture.jpg
              >
              > Donna F. Williams
              >
              > Gulf Ridge Trainer
              >
              > Unit Commissioner
              >
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              >
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            • mcquaidfam@comcast.net
              Yup. New Scouter has to go back and enter his ID number after he gets it. Then MyScouting tells ScoutNet how New Scouter took Position Specific and Hazardous
              Message 6 of 30 , Dec 2, 2012
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                Yup. New Scouter has to go back and enter his ID number after he gets it. Then MyScouting tells ScoutNet how New Scouter took Position Specific and Hazardous Weather and whatever else. Otherwise Scoutnet has no what to link the 2 databases.


                People forget that step all the time. When you find that, you have to tell them to enter their ID number in MyScouting.org.



                Don't get me started on folks who take human training and aren't registered. Then finally get around to registering. They assume "council" knows they took human training 2 yrs ago and enter it. Send me some sort of proof or guess when you took it, so I can look in my folder of rosters with unregistered people. I can enter it then.






                Yours in Registration,
                Marian Mcquaid
                Boston Minuteman council

                ----- Original Message -----
                From: "Lisa Titus" <bearmitzvah@...>
                To: "scouter t" <scouter_t@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 12:18:16 PM
                Subject: Re: [Scouter_T] Percent Trained Figure


                But Marian -

                Aren't you still missing those Scouters that took the online training
                but have not linked their membership number with their username?

                I've found this is often the case when checking on leaders in my
                unit. It occurred to me last year. When I pulled up their
                membership ID, I would see ONLY youth protection -- even when I clicked
                the button for all training. Eventually, I figured out that when we
                submitted the membership application with the attached YPT certificate,
                the registrar was inputting the YPT trained date once the membership
                number was generated. But there was NO link between that and any other
                training the Scouter took.

                Lisa



                On 12/02/2012 11:22 AM, mcquaidfam@... wrote:
                > HI,
                > We took the "Training Not completed report", looked up each person in the training validation part of MyScouting. THEN, using a couple reports/lists from the training page of Scouting.org (to the right, quicklinks) figured out what folks were missing.
                >
                >
                > The training validation page gives you everything in Scoutnet.
                > The lists from Scouting.org tell you what they needed to take when. EG: Took position specific at a time when they needed New Leader Essentials. so, to be trained by that standard, they need NLE. Now, NLE is no long available.
                >
                >
                > that's another problem for discussion. But at least you know what they are missing.
                >
                >
                > The "training" button is based on what position they were registered for when they took the "basic" training for that position. NOT what is required now.
                >
                >
                > Much experimentation figured that out. don't ask what I did, because I am NOT telling.
                >
                >
                > I am finding that our records weren't as bad as I thought, but that NLE or some other simple thing is causing problems.
                >
                >
                > We also created a "training audit" sheet, and asked people to write down what they remember taking. We used that to enter those missing courses into Scoutnet..
                >
                >
                > Yours in Scouting,
                > Marian Mcquaid
                > Registrar
                > Boston Minuteman Council
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: "Donna F. Williams" <williamsdfw@...>
                > To: "scouter t" <scouter_t@yahoogroups.com>
                > Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 10:02:39 AM
                > Subject: [Scouter_T] Percent Trained Figure
                >
                > How are you all tracking percent trained for the District/Council? Scout
                > Net is as inaccurate as they come?
                >
                >
                >
                > Scouting Picture.jpg
                >
                > Donna F. Williams
                >
                > Gulf Ridge Trainer
                >
                > Unit Commissioner
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
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                >
                >
                >
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                >
                >
                >
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                >
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              • Lisa Titus
                ... At least in my Council, there is a pretty big lag time between logging in to take the training the first time and receiving your membership card. In our
                Message 7 of 30 , Dec 2, 2012
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                  On 12/02/2012 1:00 PM, mcquaidfam@... wrote:
                  > Yup. New Scouter has to go back and enter his ID number after he gets it. Then MyScouting tells ScoutNet how New Scouter took Position Specific and Hazardous Weather and whatever else. Otherwise Scoutnet has no what to link the 2 databases.
                  >
                  > People forget that step all the time. When you find that, you have to tell them to enter their ID number in MyScouting.org.


                  At least in my Council, there is a pretty big lag time between logging
                  in to take the training the first time and receiving your membership
                  card. In our Council, it's probably about two months. By that time,
                  most folks just take the cards, stuff them into a wallet and forget
                  about it. My experience is no one ever tells these folks they need to
                  complete that step either. Maybe it's something that should come out
                  when the cards are distributed?

                  --
                  Yours in Scouting,

                  Lisa Titus
                  CM Pack 358 http://www.pack358.us
                  ASM Troop 459 http://www.troop459.us
                  I used to be a Bear ... NE-I-250
                  I used to be a Staffer ... NE-I-272 & N1-330-12-1



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                • zacheagle@gmail.com
                  Maybe someone should recommend to National that they ATTACH a small slip of paper to each BSA ID card telling the Scouter to now go into MyScouting.org and
                  Message 8 of 30 , Dec 2, 2012
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                    Maybe someone should recommend to National that they ATTACH a small slip of paper to each BSA ID card telling the Scouter to now go into MyScouting.org and enter their number on the account. Won't completely fix the problem, but would at least remind some people to go and enter it to link the two accounts. Just a practical suggestion. :)

                    YIS,
                    Zach
                    I used to be an Owl � SR-216
                    I used to be a Staffer � SR-831, SR-948, S6-556-11-1, S6-556-13

                    On Dec 2, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Lisa Titus <bearmitzvah@...> wrote:

                    >
                    > On 12/02/2012 1:00 PM, mcquaidfam@... wrote:
                    > > Yup. New Scouter has to go back and enter his ID number after he gets it. Then MyScouting tells ScoutNet how New Scouter took Position Specific and Hazardous Weather and whatever else. Otherwise Scoutnet has no what to link the 2 databases.
                    > >
                    > > People forget that step all the time. When you find that, you have to tell them to enter their ID number in MyScouting.org.
                    >
                    > At least in my Council, there is a pretty big lag time between logging
                    > in to take the training the first time and receiving your membership
                    > card. In our Council, it's probably about two months. By that time,
                    > most folks just take the cards, stuff them into a wallet and forget
                    > about it. My experience is no one ever tells these folks they need to
                    > complete that step either. Maybe it's something that should come out
                    > when the cards are distributed?
                    >
                    > --
                    > Yours in Scouting,
                    >
                    > Lisa Titus
                    > CM Pack 358 http://www.pack358.us
                    > ASM Troop 459 http://www.troop459.us
                    > I used to be a Bear ... NE-I-250
                    > I used to be a Staffer ... NE-I-272 & N1-330-12-1
                    >
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                    >
                    >



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                  • Robert Brunson
                    Or just print the instruction message on the back of the BSA registration cards.... Robert Brunson Dallas, Texas On Dec 2, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Zach
                    Message 9 of 30 , Dec 2, 2012
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                      Or just print the instruction message on the back of the BSA registration
                      cards....

                      Robert Brunson
                      Dallas, Texas

                      On Dec 2, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Zach <zacheagle@...> wrote:

                      Maybe someone should recommend to National that they ATTACH a small slip of
                      paper to each BSA ID card telling the Scouter to now go into MyScouting.org
                      and enter their number on the account. Won't completely fix the problem, but
                      would at least remind some people to go and enter it to link the two
                      accounts. Just a practical suggestion. :)

                      YIS,
                      Zach
                      I used to be an Owl . SR-216
                      I used to be a Staffer . SR-831, SR-948, S6-556-11-1, S6-556-13
                    • A. Dukovic
                      Folks remember it s Scoutnet, and before that it was Uniex and it s NEVER been accurate!!  In my council we were forced to survey Scouters ourselves and make
                      Message 10 of 30 , Dec 2, 2012
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                        Folks remember it's Scoutnet, and before that it was Uniex and it's NEVER been accurate!!  In my council we were forced to survey Scouters ourselves and make the corrections by hand, the ONLY way that we've gotten close to reality; anyone that's registered has to check their own training records to verify what they have unfortunately and national is "working on" the problems, but has been for 20+ years!!
                         
                        In my District I maintained my own Excel spreadsheet I could cut and paste and send to units and again, that was the ONLY way we were 100% sure we were accurate.  Now for registration or renewal, Scoutnet must be corrected for the process to be completed as we all know but when you been working hard to get folks trained, it's great to see "accurate" numbers?? 

                        - Art
                        --- On Sun, 12/2/12, Robert Brunson <brunsonr@...> wrote:

                        From: Robert Brunson <brunsonr@...>
                        Subject: RE: [Scouter_T] Percent Trained Figure
                        To: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com
                        Date: Sunday, December 2, 2012, 6:23 PM



                         



                        Or just print the instruction message on the back of the BSA registration
                        cards....

                        Robert Brunson
                        Dallas, Texas

                        On Dec 2, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Zach <zacheagle@...> wrote:

                        Maybe someone should recommend to National that they ATTACH a small slip of
                        paper to each BSA ID card telling the Scouter to now go into MyScouting.org
                        and enter their number on the account. Won't completely fix the problem, but
                        would at least remind some people to go and enter it to link the two
                        accounts. Just a practical suggestion. :)

                        YIS,
                        Zach
                        I used to be an Owl . SR-216
                        I used to be a Staffer . SR-831, SR-948, S6-556-11-1, S6-556-13








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                      • Mark Ellis
                        I too have a district training database (as suggested by the BSA Leadership Training Guide) so as to have an inventory of leaders that need training and a
                        Message 11 of 30 , Dec 2, 2012
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                          I too have a district training database (as suggested by the BSA Leadership Training Guide) so as to have an inventory of leaders that need training and a ready phone or e-mail address to send training info to the unit Key 3 but also directly to the untrained leader.

                          Regardless of how we feel about ScoutNET, it is THE database of record for training data. That data is used to measure who is trained and who is not trained for Journey to Excellence and overall where we measure whether adult leader training is a success or less than a success. As someone who has been entering training data into ScoutNET for the past three years, I’ve found once you understand the quirks of training data entry in ScoutNET, generally speaking the system works. The data entry person has to look at the individual record and assess based on the courses completed and the leader’s registration whether the Positions Trained was updated correctly. Most data entry folks just hand jam the data in, and never check to see if the ScoutNET logic worked correctly. Sad to say, but training data entry is one of the lowest priorities in most councils.

                          I look forward to the day when district folks have read/write access to leader records in their district and district/unit training reports via myscouting.org. Can’t some soon enough for me.

                          Mark Ellis
                          Leadership Training Chair
                          Aquia District
                          National Capital Area Council
                          (703) 376-4150


                          From: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scouter_t@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of A. Dukovic
                          Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 8:16 PM
                          To: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: RE: [Scouter_T] Percent Trained Figure


                          Folks remember it's Scoutnet, and before that it was Uniex and it's NEVER been accurate!! In my council we were forced to survey Scouters ourselves and make the corrections by hand, the ONLY way that we've gotten close to reality; anyone that's registered has to check their own training records to verify what they have unfortunately and national is "working on" the problems, but has been for 20+ years!!

                          In my District I maintained my own Excel spreadsheet I could cut and paste and send to units and again, that was the ONLY way we were 100% sure we were accurate. Now for registration or renewal, Scoutnet must be corrected for the process to be completed as we all know but when you been working hard to get folks trained, it's great to see "accurate" numbers??

                          - Art
                          --- On Sun, 12/2/12, Robert Brunson <brunsonr@...> wrote:

                          From: Robert Brunson <brunsonr@...>
                          Subject: RE: [Scouter_T] Percent Trained Figure
                          To: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com
                          Date: Sunday, December 2, 2012, 6:23 PM



                          Or just print the instruction message on the back of the BSA registration
                          cards....

                          Robert Brunson
                          Dallas, Texas

                          On Dec 2, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Zach <zacheagle@...> wrote:

                          Maybe someone should recommend to National that they ATTACH a small slip of
                          paper to each BSA ID card telling the Scouter to now go into MyScouting.org
                          and enter their number on the account. Won't completely fix the problem, but
                          would at least remind some people to go and enter it to link the two
                          accounts. Just a practical suggestion. :)

                          YIS,
                          Zach
                          I used to be an Owl . SR-216
                          I used to be a Staffer . SR-831, SR-948, S6-556-11-1, S6-556-13

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                        • mcquaidfam@comcast.net
                          Hi Lisa Cards are sent to the unit leader (CM/SM/NL). They are only sent to the unit leader per National Membership Policy. I know I am a bit behind because of
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                            Hi Lisa
                            Cards are sent to the unit leader (CM/SM/NL). They are only sent to the unit leader per National Membership Policy. I know I am a bit behind because of the Join School Night onslaught.


                            In the letter that we send to the unit leader with the cards, the Unit Leader is told to tell the newly registered to go to MyScouting. I even have it on the my directions on how to take YPT.


                            YiS
                            Marian

                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: "Lisa Titus" <bearmitzvah@...>
                            To: "scouter t" <scouter_t@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 1:14:52 PM
                            Subject: Re: [Scouter_T] Percent Trained Figure


                            On 12/02/2012 1:00 PM, mcquaidfam@... wrote:
                            > Yup. New Scouter has to go back and enter his ID number after he gets it. Then MyScouting tells ScoutNet how New Scouter took Position Specific and Hazardous Weather and whatever else. Otherwise Scoutnet has no what to link the 2 databases.
                            >
                            > People forget that step all the time. When you find that, you have to tell them to enter their ID number in MyScouting.org.


                            At least in my Council, there is a pretty big lag time between logging
                            in to take the training the first time and receiving your membership
                            card. In our Council, it's probably about two months. By that time,
                            most folks just take the cards, stuff them into a wallet and forget
                            about it. My experience is no one ever tells these folks they need to
                            complete that step either. Maybe it's something that should come out
                            when the cards are distributed?

                            --
                            Yours in Scouting,

                            Lisa Titus
                            CM Pack 358 http://www.pack358.us
                            ASM Troop 459 http://www.troop459.us
                            I used to be a Bear ... NE-I-250
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                          • mcquaidfam@comcast.net
                            Zach, ID cards are printed in sheets of 12. And if you are a registrar like me, you have batched several units together, so you have multiple units on a sheet.
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                              Zach,
                              ID cards are printed in sheets of 12. And if you are a registrar like me, you have batched several units together, so you have multiple units on a sheet.


                              It would be up to the registrar, who is pretty overwhelmed most days, to staple that set of directions on to the card.


                              The best would be a unit leaders (who gets the cards) to hand out directions themselves.


                              YiS
                              Marian
                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: zacheagle@...
                              To: "scouter t" <scouter_t@yahoogroups.com>
                              Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 2:47:57 PM
                              Subject: Re: [Scouter_T] Percent Trained Figure

                              Maybe someone should recommend to National that they ATTACH a small slip of paper to each BSA ID card telling the Scouter to now go into MyScouting.org and enter their number on the account. Won't completely fix the problem, but would at least remind some people to go and enter it to link the two accounts. Just a practical suggestion. :)

                              YIS,
                              Zach
                              I used to be an Owl � SR-216
                              I used to be a Staffer � SR-831, SR-948, S6-556-11-1, S6-556-13

                              On Dec 2, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Lisa Titus <bearmitzvah@...> wrote:

                              >
                              > On 12/02/2012 1:00 PM, mcquaidfam@... wrote:
                              > > Yup. New Scouter has to go back and enter his ID number after he gets it. Then MyScouting tells ScoutNet how New Scouter took Position Specific and Hazardous Weather and whatever else. Otherwise Scoutnet has no what to link the 2 databases.
                              > >
                              > > People forget that step all the time. When you find that, you have to tell them to enter their ID number in MyScouting.org.
                              >
                              > At least in my Council, there is a pretty big lag time between logging
                              > in to take the training the first time and receiving your membership
                              > card. In our Council, it's probably about two months. By that time,
                              > most folks just take the cards, stuff them into a wallet and forget
                              > about it. My experience is no one ever tells these folks they need to
                              > complete that step either. Maybe it's something that should come out
                              > when the cards are distributed?
                              >
                              > --
                              > Yours in Scouting,
                              >
                              > Lisa Titus
                              > CM Pack 358 http://www.pack358.us
                              > ASM Troop 459 http://www.troop459.us
                              > I used to be a Bear ... NE-I-250
                              > I used to be a Staffer ... NE-I-272 & N1-330-12-1
                              >
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                            • mcquaidfam@comcast.net
                              Look on the back of your card. There is printed logo there. And those cards are printed by the gazillions. An enterprising person could figure it out, give it
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                                Look on the back of your card. There is printed logo there. And those cards are printed by the gazillions. An enterprising person could figure it out, give it to their registrar.


                                Said Registrar now prints cards in Scoutnet. Youth and Adults are all mixed together. Now must exit SN after addresses, rosters and Charters are printed. Open Word, find that template, open it, and pull the cards from stack (by batch) reprint them on the back, and get them back the right batch.


                                The folks around here get upset easily and can be confused quickly. So I won't even begin to guess how many parents are going to call and whine about directions to go to MyScouting and add the ID number for their kids. Yup, fools abound.


                                I am not saying it can't happen, but in the time crunch we registrars find ourselves on a daily basis, anything that adds time is difficult to shoehorn in. That's why I put it in the letter that goes with the cards to the Unit Leader. I also have it on my set of directions that go by the fistful to each unit. The directions tell how to go to MyScouting, set up an account, take YPT and the other courses and then to add their Member ID.


                                Keep the ideas coming. We can figure this out. Heck I would be willing to try this, if someone (NOT ME) sets up the template. Let me know, and I will figure out the dimensions of the cards and the layout.


                                YiS,
                                Marian
                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: "Robert Brunson" <brunsonr@...
                                To: "scouter t" <scouter_t@yahoogroups.com>
                                Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 7:23:01 PM
                                Subject: RE: [Scouter_T] Percent Trained Figure

                                Or just print the instruction message on the back of the BSA registration
                                cards....

                                Robert Brunson
                                Dallas, Texas

                                On Dec 2, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Zach <zacheagle@...> wrote:

                                Maybe someone should recommend to National that they ATTACH a small slip of
                                paper to each BSA ID card telling the Scouter to now go into MyScouting.org
                                and enter their number on the account. Won't completely fix the problem, but
                                would at least remind some people to go and enter it to link the two
                                accounts. Just a practical suggestion. :)

                                YIS,
                                Zach
                                I used to be an Owl . SR-216
                                I used to be a Staffer . SR-831, SR-948, S6-556-11-1, S6-556-13




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                              • zacheagle@gmail.com
                                Marian, Trust me, I understand completely and agree with all that you say. It is a difficult quandary and even if unit leaders receive the message, there are
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                                  Marian,

                                  Trust me, I understand completely and agree with all that you say. It is a difficult quandary and even if unit leaders receive the message, there are too many instances where the message doesn't "trickle down" as it should. I wish that could change, but some people just don't accept what is ultimately their responsibility (entering ID into ScoutNet to fix an underlying flaw in the computer database system). To echo the sentiment that most everyone is thinking� "there has to be a better way!" You're right, if we keep plugging at it, I'm sure we'll figure something out.

                                  YIS,
                                  Zach

                                  On Dec 2, 2012, at 10:26 PM, mcquaidfam@... wrote:

                                  > Look on the back of your card. There is printed logo there. And those cards are printed by the gazillions. An enterprising person could figure it out, give it to their registrar.
                                  >
                                  > Said Registrar now prints cards in Scoutnet. Youth and Adults are all mixed together. Now must exit SN after addresses, rosters and Charters are printed. Open Word, find that template, open it, and pull the cards from stack (by batch) reprint them on the back, and get them back the right batch.
                                  >
                                  > The folks around here get upset easily and can be confused quickly. So I won't even begin to guess how many parents are going to call and whine about directions to go to MyScouting and add the ID number for their kids. Yup, fools abound.
                                  >
                                  > I am not saying it can't happen, but in the time crunch we registrars find ourselves on a daily basis, anything that adds time is difficult to shoehorn in. That's why I put it in the letter that goes with the cards to the Unit Leader. I also have it on my set of directions that go by the fistful to each unit. The directions tell how to go to MyScouting, set up an account, take YPT and the other courses and then to add their Member ID.
                                  >
                                  > Keep the ideas coming. We can figure this out. Heck I would be willing to try this, if someone (NOT ME) sets up the template. Let me know, and I will figure out the dimensions of the cards and the layout.
                                  >
                                  > YiS,
                                  > Marian
                                  > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > From: "Robert Brunson" <brunsonr@...
                                  > To: "scouter t" <scouter_t@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 7:23:01 PM
                                  > Subject: RE: [Scouter_T] Percent Trained Figure
                                  >
                                  > Or just print the instruction message on the back of the BSA registration
                                  > cards....
                                  >
                                  > Robert Brunson
                                  > Dallas, Texas
                                  >
                                  > On Dec 2, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Zach <zacheagle@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > Maybe someone should recommend to National that they ATTACH a small slip of
                                  > paper to each BSA ID card telling the Scouter to now go into MyScouting.org
                                  > and enter their number on the account. Won't completely fix the problem, but
                                  > would at least remind some people to go and enter it to link the two
                                  > accounts. Just a practical suggestion. :)
                                  >
                                  > YIS,
                                  > Zach
                                  > I used to be an Owl . SR-216
                                  > I used to be a Staffer . SR-831, SR-948, S6-556-11-1, S6-556-13
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                                • zacheagle@gmail.com
                                  Marian, Can you share these directions with the list? Sounds like something that could be beneficial if available to more leaders (this sounds like something
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                                    Marian,

                                    Can you share these directions with the list? Sounds like something that could be beneficial if available to more leaders (this sounds like something you drew up and send out and not Nationally created). If that's the case, it'd be great if they learned about it and began to use it nationwide. :)

                                    YIS,
                                    Zach

                                    On Dec 2, 2012, at 10:06 PM, mcquaidfam@... wrote:

                                    > Hi Lisa
                                    > Cards are sent to the unit leader (CM/SM/NL). They are only sent to the unit leader per National Membership Policy. I know I am a bit behind because of the Join School Night onslaught.
                                    >
                                    > In the letter that we send to the unit leader with the cards, the Unit Leader is told to tell the newly registered to go to MyScouting. I even have it on the my directions on how to take YPT.
                                    >
                                    > YiS
                                    > Marian
                                    >
                                    > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > From: "Lisa Titus" <bearmitzvah@...>
                                    > To: "scouter t" <scouter_t@yahoogroups.com>
                                    > Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 1:14:52 PM
                                    > Subject: Re: [Scouter_T] Percent Trained Figure
                                    >
                                    > On 12/02/2012 1:00 PM, mcquaidfam@... wrote:
                                    > > Yup. New Scouter has to go back and enter his ID number after he gets it. Then MyScouting tells ScoutNet how New Scouter took Position Specific and Hazardous Weather and whatever else. Otherwise Scoutnet has no what to link the 2 databases.
                                    > >
                                    > > People forget that step all the time. When you find that, you have to tell them to enter their ID number in MyScouting.org.
                                    >
                                    > At least in my Council, there is a pretty big lag time between logging
                                    > in to take the training the first time and receiving your membership
                                    > card. In our Council, it's probably about two months. By that time,
                                    > most folks just take the cards, stuff them into a wallet and forget
                                    > about it. My experience is no one ever tells these folks they need to
                                    > complete that step either. Maybe it's something that should come out
                                    > when the cards are distributed?
                                    >
                                    > --
                                    > Yours in Scouting,
                                    >
                                    > Lisa Titus
                                    > CM Pack 358 http://www.pack358.us
                                    > ASM Troop 459 http://www.troop459.us
                                    > I used to be a Bear ... NE-I-250
                                    > I used to be a Staffer ... NE-I-272 & N1-330-12-1
                                    >
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                                  • Lisa Titus
                                    It s funny you should say that. As a CM, I just got mine the other day. I fully admit, I no longer read the letter as I assume it says the same thing is
                                    Message 17 of 30 , Dec 2, 2012
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                                      It's funny you should say that. As a CM, I just got mine the other
                                      day. I fully admit, I no longer read the letter as I assume it says
                                      the same thing is always has. But, since it's right here still - I
                                      pulled it back out and there is NO mention about linking membership
                                      number to username.

                                      I have no problem with the cards going to the Unit Leader -- BUT -- I
                                      think we really do need to have something in there (like YOU are already
                                      doing!) that states the adult leaders need to link their account to
                                      their membership number. I don't think it's something most unit
                                      leaders know to do. Mine was a "lightening bolt" type moment when I
                                      figured out why I could see leaders YPT date but nothing else they had
                                      claimed to have taken. The registrar couldn't tell me why I wasn't
                                      seeing the other training.


                                      YiS
                                      Lisa



                                      On 12/02/2012 10:06 PM, mcquaidfam@... wrote:
                                      > Hi Lisa
                                      > Cards are sent to the unit leader (CM/SM/NL). They are only sent to the unit leader per National Membership Policy. I know I am a bit behind because of the Join School Night onslaught.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > In the letter that we send to the unit leader with the cards, the Unit Leader is told to tell the newly registered to go to MyScouting. I even have it on the my directions on how to take YPT.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > YiS
                                      > Marian
                                      >
                                      > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > From: "Lisa Titus" <bearmitzvah@...>
                                      > To: "scouter t" <scouter_t@yahoogroups.com>
                                      > Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 1:14:52 PM
                                      > Subject: Re: [Scouter_T] Percent Trained Figure
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > On 12/02/2012 1:00 PM, mcquaidfam@... wrote:
                                      >> Yup. New Scouter has to go back and enter his ID number after he gets it. Then MyScouting tells ScoutNet how New Scouter took Position Specific and Hazardous Weather and whatever else. Otherwise Scoutnet has no what to link the 2 databases.
                                      >>
                                      >> People forget that step all the time. When you find that, you have to tell them to enter their ID number in MyScouting.org.
                                      >
                                      > At least in my Council, there is a pretty big lag time between logging
                                      > in to take the training the first time and receiving your membership
                                      > card. In our Council, it's probably about two months. By that time,
                                      > most folks just take the cards, stuff them into a wallet and forget
                                      > about it. My experience is no one ever tells these folks they need to
                                      > complete that step either. Maybe it's something that should come out
                                      > when the cards are distributed?
                                      >



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                                    • A. Dukovic
                                      Yes Mark, Scoutnet IS getting better and also yes, it s the ONLY tool we can use and yes too, it s certainly better than what they had before??     The
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                                        Yes Mark, Scoutnet IS getting better and also yes, it's the ONLY tool we can use and yes too, it's certainly better than what they had before??  
                                         
                                        The point is accuracy, and where ever you go folks, something you try is NOT gonna work correctly so understand what we're both saying here; develop a "plan B" to verify what information your system is giving you please??    Scoutnet relies on accurate input and query and either can mess up what's coming out ... welcome to computers!!  
                                         
                                        My predecessor, only just a few years ago used 3x5 cards and that for for him just fine but it may not for you; those cards, and my Excel sheets, allowed him and me to spot-check Unit or person data to verify what Scoutnet was tellin us via "reports".  It made us aware of shortfalls or errors and helped us get them corrected, which is the whole purpose of the system correct?? 


                                        - Art
                                        --- On Sun, 12/2/12, Mark Ellis <mark.ellis21@...> wrote:

                                        From: Mark Ellis <mark.ellis21@...>
                                        Subject: RE: [Scouter_T] Percent Trained Figure
                                        To: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com
                                        Date: Sunday, December 2, 2012, 7:30 PM



                                         



                                        I too have a district training database (as suggested by the BSA Leadership Training Guide) so as to have an inventory of leaders that need training and a ready phone or e-mail address to send training info to the unit Key 3 but also directly to the untrained leader.

                                        Regardless of how we feel about ScoutNET, it is THE database of record for training data. That data is used to measure who is trained and who is not trained for Journey to Excellence and overall where we measure whether adult leader training is a success or less than a success. As someone who has been entering training data into ScoutNET for the past three years, I’ve found once you understand the quirks of training data entry in ScoutNET, generally speaking the system works. The data entry person has to look at the individual record and assess based on the courses completed and the leader’s registration whether the Positions Trained was updated correctly. Most data entry folks just hand jam the data in, and never check to see if the ScoutNET logic worked correctly. Sad to say, but training data entry is one of the lowest priorities in most councils.

                                        I look forward to the day when district folks have read/write access to leader records in their district and district/unit training reports via myscouting.org. Can’t some soon enough for me.

                                        Mark Ellis
                                        Leadership Training Chair
                                        Aquia District
                                        National Capital Area Council
                                        (703) 376-4150

                                        From: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scouter_t@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of A. Dukovic
                                        Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 8:16 PM
                                        To: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com
                                        Subject: RE: [Scouter_T] Percent Trained Figure

                                        Folks remember it's Scoutnet, and before that it was Uniex and it's NEVER been accurate!! In my council we were forced to survey Scouters ourselves and make the corrections by hand, the ONLY way that we've gotten close to reality; anyone that's registered has to check their own training records to verify what they have unfortunately and national is "working on" the problems, but has been for 20+ years!!

                                        In my District I maintained my own Excel spreadsheet I could cut and paste and send to units and again, that was the ONLY way we were 100% sure we were accurate. Now for registration or renewal, Scoutnet must be corrected for the process to be completed as we all know but when you been working hard to get folks trained, it's great to see "accurate" numbers??

                                        - Art
                                        --- On Sun, 12/2/12, Robert Brunson <brunsonr@...> wrote:

                                        From: Robert Brunson <brunsonr@...>
                                        Subject: RE: [Scouter_T] Percent Trained Figure
                                        To: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com
                                        Date: Sunday, December 2, 2012, 6:23 PM

                                        Or just print the instruction message on the back of the BSA registration
                                        cards....

                                        Robert Brunson
                                        Dallas, Texas

                                        On Dec 2, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Zach <zacheagle@...> wrote:

                                        Maybe someone should recommend to National that they ATTACH a small slip of
                                        paper to each BSA ID card telling the Scouter to now go into MyScouting.org
                                        and enter their number on the account. Won't completely fix the problem, but
                                        would at least remind some people to go and enter it to link the two
                                        accounts. Just a practical suggestion. :)

                                        YIS,
                                        Zach
                                        I used to be an Owl . SR-216
                                        I used to be a Staffer . SR-831, SR-948, S6-556-11-1, S6-556-13

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                                      • mcquaidfam@comcast.net
                                        I know your registrar. I will suggest that to him, and pass along what is happening and why. LOL.... It is never easy, is it? Marian ... From: Lisa Titus
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                                          I know your registrar. I will suggest that to him, and pass along what is happening and why.


                                          LOL....


                                          It is never easy, is it?
                                          Marian

                                          ----- Original Message -----
                                          From: "Lisa Titus" <bearmitzvah@...>
                                          To: "scouter t" <scouter_t@yahoogroups.com>
                                          Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 10:38:48 PM
                                          Subject: Re: [Scouter_T] Percent Trained Figure


                                          It's funny you should say that. As a CM, I just got mine the other
                                          day. I fully admit, I no longer read the letter as I assume it says
                                          the same thing is always has. But, since it's right here still - I
                                          pulled it back out and there is NO mention about linking membership
                                          number to username.

                                          I have no problem with the cards going to the Unit Leader -- BUT -- I
                                          think we really do need to have something in there (like YOU are already
                                          doing!) that states the adult leaders need to link their account to
                                          their membership number. I don't think it's something most unit
                                          leaders know to do. Mine was a "lightening bolt" type moment when I
                                          figured out why I could see leaders YPT date but nothing else they had
                                          claimed to have taken. The registrar couldn't tell me why I wasn't
                                          seeing the other training.


                                          YiS
                                          Lisa



                                          On 12/02/2012 10:06 PM, mcquaidfam@... wrote:
                                          > Hi Lisa
                                          > Cards are sent to the unit leader (CM/SM/NL). They are only sent to the unit leader per National Membership Policy. I know I am a bit behind because of the Join School Night onslaught.
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > In the letter that we send to the unit leader with the cards, the Unit Leader is told to tell the newly registered to go to MyScouting. I even have it on the my directions on how to take YPT.
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > YiS
                                          > Marian
                                          >
                                          > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > From: "Lisa Titus" <bearmitzvah@...>
                                          > To: "scouter t" <scouter_t@yahoogroups.com>
                                          > Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 1:14:52 PM
                                          > Subject: Re: [Scouter_T] Percent Trained Figure
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > On 12/02/2012 1:00 PM, mcquaidfam@... wrote:
                                          >> Yup. New Scouter has to go back and enter his ID number after he gets it. Then MyScouting tells ScoutNet how New Scouter took Position Specific and Hazardous Weather and whatever else. Otherwise Scoutnet has no what to link the 2 databases.
                                          >>
                                          >> People forget that step all the time. When you find that, you have to tell them to enter their ID number in MyScouting.org.
                                          >
                                          > At least in my Council, there is a pretty big lag time between logging
                                          > in to take the training the first time and receiving your membership
                                          > card. In our Council, it's probably about two months. By that time,
                                          > most folks just take the cards, stuff them into a wallet and forget
                                          > about it. My experience is no one ever tells these folks they need to
                                          > complete that step either. Maybe it's something that should come out
                                          > when the cards are distributed?
                                          >



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                                        • mark.ellis21@comcast.net
                                          Marian Did you ever validate whether Scoutnet is requiring current YPT for Venturing (Y02) when rechartering crew and ship adult leaders? Mark Ellis (703)
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                                            Marian

                                            Did you ever validate whether Scoutnet is requiring current YPT for Venturing (Y02) when rechartering crew and ship adult leaders?

                                            Mark Ellis
                                            (703) 376-4150

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                                            -----Original message-----
                                            From: mcquaidfam@...
                                            To: scouter t <scouter_t@yahoogroups.com>
                                            Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 03:15:23 GMT+00:00
                                            Subject: Re: [Scouter_T] Percent Trained Figure

                                            Zach,
                                            ID cards are printed in sheets of 12. And if you are a registrar like me, you have batched several units together, so you have multiple units on a sheet.


                                            It would be up to the registrar, who is pretty overwhelmed most days, to staple that set of directions on to the card.


                                            The best would be a unit leaders (who gets the cards) to hand out directions themselves.


                                            YiS
                                            Marian
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                                            From: zacheagle@...
                                            To: "scouter t" <scouter_t@yahoogroups.com>
                                            Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 2:47:57 PM
                                            Subject: Re: [Scouter_T] Percent Trained Figure

                                            Maybe someone should recommend to National that they ATTACH a small slip of paper to each BSA ID card telling the Scouter to now go into MyScouting.org and enter their number on the account. Won't completely fix the problem, but would at least remind some people to go and enter it to link the two accounts. Just a practical suggestion. :)

                                            YIS,
                                            Zach
                                            I used to be an Owl � SR-216
                                            I used to be a Staffer � SR-831, SR-948, S6-556-11-1, S6-556-13

                                            On Dec 2, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Lisa Titus <bearmitzvah@...> wrote:

                                            >
                                            > On 12/02/2012 1:00 PM, mcquaidfam@... wrote:
                                            > > Yup. New Scouter has to go back and enter his ID number after he gets it. Then MyScouting tells ScoutNet how New Scouter took Position Specific and Hazardous Weather and whatever else. Otherwise Scoutnet has no what to link the 2 databases.
                                            > >
                                            > > People forget that step all the time. When you find that, you have to tell them to enter their ID number in MyScouting.org.
                                            >
                                            > At least in my Council, there is a pretty big lag time between logging
                                            > in to take the training the first time and receiving your membership
                                            > card. In our Council, it's probably about two months. By that time,
                                            > most folks just take the cards, stuff them into a wallet and forget
                                            > about it. My experience is no one ever tells these folks they need to
                                            > complete that step either. Maybe it's something that should come out
                                            > when the cards are distributed?
                                            >
                                            > --
                                            > Yours in Scouting,
                                            >
                                            > Lisa Titus
                                            > CM Pack 358 http://www.pack358.us
                                            > ASM Troop 459 http://www.troop459.us
                                            > I used to be a Bear ... NE-I-250
                                            > I used to be a Staffer ... NE-I-272 & N1-330-12-1
                                            >
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                                          • Michael Crothers
                                            ScoutNet (to quote those from nation program impact committee) has no means to prevent on-line rechartering by anyone  with or with out current Youth
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                                              ScoutNet (to quote those from nation program impact committee) has no means to prevent on-line rechartering by anyone 
                                              with or with out current Youth protection training. It is coming, but the software is not available at this time.

                                              This can only be done at the council level manually.
                                                
                                               
                                              Yours In Scouting

                                              Mike Crothers





                                              I used to be a good old Bob White NE-CS-11
                                              and a good old staffer too NE-CS-13
                                              and I used to be a good old Fox WE4-57-06


                                              ________________________________
                                              From: "mark.ellis21@..." <mark.ellis21@...>
                                              To: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com; scouter t <scouter_t@yahoogroups.com>
                                              Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 6:16 AM
                                              Subject: Re: [Scouter_T] Percent Trained Figure


                                               
                                              Marian

                                              Did you ever validate whether Scoutnet is requiring current YPT for Venturing (Y02) when rechartering crew and ship adult leaders?

                                              Mark Ellis
                                              (703) 376-4150

                                              Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless

                                              -----Original message-----
                                              From: mcquaidfam@...
                                              To: scouter t <scouter_t@yahoogroups.com>
                                              Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 03:15:23 GMT+00:00
                                              Subject: Re: [Scouter_T] Percent Trained Figure

                                              Zach,
                                              ID cards are printed in sheets of 12. And if you are a registrar like me, you have batched several units together, so you have multiple units on a sheet.

                                              It would be up to the registrar, who is pretty overwhelmed most days, to staple that set of directions on to the card.

                                              The best would be a unit leaders (who gets the cards) to hand out directions themselves.

                                              YiS
                                              Marian
                                              ----- Original Message -----
                                              From: zacheagle@...
                                              To: "scouter t" <scouter_t@yahoogroups.com>
                                              Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 2:47:57 PM
                                              Subject: Re: [Scouter_T] Percent Trained Figure

                                              Maybe someone should recommend to National that they ATTACH a small slip of paper to each BSA ID card telling the Scouter to now go into MyScouting.org and enter their number on the account. Won't completely fix the problem, but would at least remind some people to go and enter it to link the two accounts. Just a practical suggestion. :)

                                              YIS,
                                              Zach
                                              I used to be an Owl � SR-216
                                              I used to be a Staffer � SR-831, SR-948, S6-556-11-1, S6-556-13

                                              On Dec 2, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Lisa Titus <bearmitzvah@...> wrote:

                                              >
                                              > On 12/02/2012 1:00 PM, mcquaidfam@... wrote:
                                              > > Yup. New Scouter has to go back and enter his ID number after he gets it. Then MyScouting tells ScoutNet how New Scouter took Position Specific and Hazardous Weather and whatever else. Otherwise Scoutnet has no what to link the 2 databases.
                                              > >
                                              > > People forget that step all the time. When you find that, you have to tell them to enter their ID number in MyScouting.org.
                                              >
                                              > At least in my Council, there is a pretty big lag time between logging
                                              > in to take the training the first time and receiving your membership
                                              > card. In our Council, it's probably about two months. By that time,
                                              > most folks just take the cards, stuff them into a wallet and forget
                                              > about it. My experience is no one ever tells these folks they need to
                                              > complete that step either. Maybe it's something that should come out
                                              > when the cards are distributed?
                                              >
                                              > --
                                              > Yours in Scouting,
                                              >
                                              > Lisa Titus
                                              > CM Pack 358 http://www.pack358.us
                                              > ASM Troop 459 http://www.troop459.us
                                              > I used to be a Bear ... NE-I-250
                                              > I used to be a Staffer ... NE-I-272 & N1-330-12-1
                                              >
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                                            • G.J.
                                              There are several challengesn in regards to SCOUTNET and training records. First and foremost is the lack of transferability of SCOUTNET records. When SCOUTNET
                                              Message 22 of 30 , Dec 3, 2012
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                                                There are several challengesn in regards to SCOUTNET and training records.

                                                First and foremost is the lack of transferability of SCOUTNET records. When SCOUTNET was in the beta phase, the then national SCOUTNET director told a group of us that the records would be portable. As i have recently discovered that was not the case. Which explains why everytime I moved, I had to resubmit my records.

                                                Second, some councils were not inputting the training records into SCOUTNET. Probably because at the time they were not as important as they are now. Kinda funny to have the training chairman listed on the untrained list. Had to duck and cover when I told one PTC trainer that according to SCOUTNET, he hadn't completed basic training yet.

                                                Third, some of us old fogeys took training pre-SCOUTNET. Obviously codes for those courses were not in place at that time. But when SCOUTNET and training codes did come out, the older courses still did not have codes. The solution at the time was to put in the code for the current training, BUT use the original dates for course completion. This has led to the current problem of leaders having courses with inaccurate dates on their records, and now showing up as untrained again since we now have codes for someof the older courses.

                                                Fourth, the decision, and then the local training chair provision, of the mandate that leaders need to redo basic training everytime the course name changes. Grant you that challenge is somewhat solved with the local training chair able to say the older training is still valid, but I can see where some folks could possibly not accept older training.

                                                Jerry
                                              • The Little's
                                                Also, It is a good reminder to tell Scouters to keep their training cards in a folder like the Scouts to for their Merit Badge cards because they can take them
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                                                  Also, It is a good reminder to tell Scouters to keep their training
                                                  cards in a folder like the Scouts to for their Merit Badge cards because
                                                  they can take them into the scout office and get Scoutnet updated with
                                                  the cards. Everything will be in place and in order taken. We tell the
                                                  scouts that their folder is the best record they have of taken the Merit
                                                  Badge shouldn't it be the same for us as leaders?

                                                  How much can a folder full of plastic sleeves cost versus digging for
                                                  records to show you have taken a course. I had to help my husband dig up
                                                  his old cards and it was no fun. The holidays are coming, get the binder
                                                  and sit down while it is snowing and fill the sleeves. Then next time
                                                  someone asks Did you take this course? Show them the binder or copy the
                                                  pages and give it to them.
                                                  Carol Little
                                                  CS Trainer
                                                  BSAC Program Committee member
                                                  and webmaster of
                                                  www.Cubroundtable.com
                                                  Black Swamp Area Council
                                                  NW OH
                                                • Connie Knie
                                                  And the word here is that the cards are no longer going to be distributed. Connie   ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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                                                    And the word here is that the cards are no longer going to be distributed.


                                                    Connie

                                                     
                                                    >
                                                    >Zach,
                                                    >ID cards are printed in sheets of 12. And if you are a registrar like me, you have batched several units together, so you have multiple units on a sheet.
                                                    >
                                                    >It would be up to the registrar, who is pretty overwhelmed most days, to staple that set of directions on to the card.
                                                    >
                                                    >The best would be a unit leaders (who gets the cards) to hand out directions themselves.
                                                    >
                                                    >

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                                                  • Jon Baake
                                                    That s just what we don t need. Everyplace we turn, particularly in training we are asking scouters for their BSA ID# and that s where they can find it. Of
                                                    Message 25 of 30 , Dec 3, 2012
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                                                      That's just what we don't need. Everyplace we turn, particularly in training
                                                      we are asking scouters for their BSA ID# and that's where they can find it.
                                                      Of course it is on field sheets too but most leaders never see those. I
                                                      guess an acceptable, maybe better, alternative would be email notification
                                                      from the registrar advising the new leader that the registration is complete
                                                      and his/her BSA ID# is nnnnnnnnnnnn.



                                                      Jon



                                                      From: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scouter_t@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                                                      Of Connie Knie
                                                      Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 6:20 PM
                                                      To: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com
                                                      Subject: Re: [Scouter_T] Percent Trained Figure





                                                      And the word here is that the cards are no longer going to be distributed.

                                                      Connie


                                                      >
                                                      >Zach,
                                                      >ID cards are printed in sheets of 12. And if you are a registrar like me,
                                                      you have batched several units together, so you have multiple units on a
                                                      sheet.
                                                      >
                                                      >It would be up to the registrar, who is pretty overwhelmed most days, to
                                                      staple that set of directions on to the card.
                                                      >
                                                      >The best would be a unit leaders (who gets the cards) to hand out
                                                      directions themselves.
                                                      >
                                                      >

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                                                    • Connie Knie
                                                      I believe that what they are alluding to is the fact that the new Unit Tools will be the link to all vital information. Connie ... [Non-text portions of this
                                                      Message 26 of 30 , Dec 3, 2012
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                                                        I believe that what they are alluding to is the fact that the new Unit Tools will be the link to all vital information.


                                                        Connie


                                                        >________________________________
                                                        > From: Jon Baake <jbaake@...>
                                                        >To: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com
                                                        >Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 6:34 PM
                                                        >Subject: RE: [Scouter_T] Percent Trained Figure
                                                        >

                                                        >
                                                        >That's just what we don't need. Everyplace we turn, particularly in training
                                                        >we are asking scouters for their BSA ID# and that's where they can find it.
                                                        >Of course it is on field sheets too but most leaders never see those. I
                                                        >guess an acceptable, maybe better, alternative would be email notification
                                                        >from the registrar advising the new leader that the registration is complete
                                                        >and his/her BSA ID# is nnnnnnnnnnnn.
                                                        >
                                                        >Jon
                                                        >
                                                        >From: mailto:scouter_t%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:scouter_t%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                                                        >Of Connie Knie
                                                        >Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 6:20 PM
                                                        >To: mailto:scouter_t%40yahoogroups.com
                                                        >Subject: Re: [Scouter_T] Percent Trained Figure
                                                        >
                                                        >And the word here is that the cards are no longer going to be distributed.
                                                        >
                                                        >Connie
                                                        >
                                                        >>
                                                        >>Zach,
                                                        >>ID cards are printed in sheets of 12. And if you are a registrar like me,
                                                        >you have batched several units together, so you have multiple units on a
                                                        >sheet.
                                                        >>
                                                        >>It would be up to the registrar, who is pretty overwhelmed most days, to
                                                        >staple that set of directions on to the card.
                                                        >>
                                                        >>The best would be a unit leaders (who gets the cards) to hand out
                                                        >directions themselves.
                                                        >>
                                                        >>
                                                        >
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                                                        >
                                                        >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                                        >
                                                        >
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                                                      • mcquaidfam@comcast.net
                                                        Hey Connie, Where and from whom did you hear that? Thanks YiS, Marian McQuaid Registrar Boston Minuteman ... From: Connie Knie To:
                                                        Message 27 of 30 , Dec 3, 2012
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                                                          Hey Connie,
                                                          Where and from whom did you hear that?


                                                          Thanks
                                                          YiS,
                                                          Marian McQuaid
                                                          Registrar
                                                          Boston Minuteman

                                                          ----- Original Message -----
                                                          From: "Connie Knie" <cknie23100@...>
                                                          To: "scouter t" <scouter_t@yahoogroups.com>
                                                          Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 6:19:45 PM
                                                          Subject: Re: [Scouter_T] Percent Trained Figure

                                                          And the word here is that the cards are no longer going to be distributed.


                                                          Connie


                                                          >
                                                          >Zach,
                                                          >ID cards are printed in sheets of 12. And if you are a registrar like me, you have batched several units together, so you have multiple units on a sheet.
                                                          >
                                                          >It would be up to the registrar, who is pretty overwhelmed most days, to staple that set of directions on to the card.
                                                          >
                                                          >The best would be a unit leaders (who gets the cards) to hand out directions themselves.
                                                          >
                                                          >

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                                                        • Jamie Niss Dunn
                                                          Marian, The release notes for the new Unit Tools in MyScouting indicate that one enhancement will be that unit leaders can print membership cards. I suppose
                                                          Message 28 of 30 , Dec 3, 2012
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                                                            Marian,

                                                            The "release notes" for the new Unit Tools in MyScouting indicate that one enhancement will be that unit leaders can print membership cards. I suppose some councils may delegate that task for cost and time savings.

                                                            Jamie Niss Dunn

                                                            On Dec 3, 2012, at 7:12 PM, mcquaidfam@... wrote:

                                                            > Hey Connie,
                                                            > Where and from whom did you hear that?
                                                            >
                                                            > Thanks
                                                            > YiS,
                                                            > Marian McQuaid
                                                            > Registrar
                                                            > Boston Minuteman
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            >


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                                                          • Paul
                                                            ... one enhancement will be that unit leaders can print membership cards. I suppose some councils may delegate that task for cost and time savings. The online
                                                            Message 29 of 30 , Dec 3, 2012
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                                                              --- In scouter_t@yahoogroups.com, Jamie Niss Dunn <JNDunnMN@...> wrote:
                                                              >
                                                              > Marian,
                                                              >
                                                              > The "release notes" for the new Unit Tools in MyScouting indicate that
                                                              one enhancement will be that unit leaders can print membership cards. I
                                                              suppose some councils may delegate that task for cost and time savings.

                                                              The online Internet Advancement has allowed printing of membership cards
                                                              now for over a year. I haven't tested it to see if it's just one or
                                                              which ones.

                                                              Paul Y
                                                              District Advancement & Recognition Chair
                                                              Thunderbird District
                                                              Inland Northwest Council
                                                              Spokane WA
                                                              "Once a Fox, always a Fox"
                                                            • mcquaidfam@comcast.net
                                                              Let me point out that you can already print replacement cards in Internet Advancement. ;) Marian ... From: Jamie Niss Dunn To: scouter t
                                                              Message 30 of 30 , Dec 3, 2012
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                                                                Let me point out that you can already print replacement cards in Internet Advancement. ;)


                                                                Marian

                                                                ----- Original Message -----
                                                                From: "Jamie Niss Dunn" <JNDunnMN@...>
                                                                To: "scouter t" <scouter_t@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 8:29:39 PM
                                                                Subject: Re: [Scouter_T] Percent Trained Figure

                                                                Marian,

                                                                The "release notes" for the new Unit Tools in MyScouting indicate that one enhancement will be that unit leaders can print membership cards. I suppose some councils may delegate that task for cost and time savings.

                                                                Jamie Niss Dunn

                                                                On Dec 3, 2012, at 7:12 PM, mcquaidfam@... wrote:

                                                                > Hey Connie,
                                                                > Where and from whom did you hear that?
                                                                >
                                                                > Thanks
                                                                > YiS,
                                                                > Marian McQuaid
                                                                > Registrar
                                                                > Boston Minuteman
                                                                >
                                                                >
                                                                >
                                                                >
                                                                >
                                                                >
                                                                >
                                                                >


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