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Re: [Scouter_T] Re: IOLS Test out or anything similar

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  • Charlie Hawes
    We teach the patrol method in our indoor sessions and then put it to use on the camp out.  Our ITOLS patrols are assigned a patrol coach who helps during the
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      We teach the patrol method in our indoor sessions and then put it to use on the camp out.  Our ITOLS patrols are assigned a patrol coach who helps during the camp out.
       
      YIS (yours in scouting)
      Charlie  Hawes
      Sweetwater BSA District Trainer/ADC
      (863)398-7194



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      From: Bill <bnelson45@...>
      To: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 4:05 PM
      Subject: [Scouter_T] Re: IOLS Test out or anything similar


       

      I don't see the Patrol Method being taught as part of the syllabus. You actually have to infer a lot to insert it.

      Personally, I don't like that and I would like to see it as an integrated part of the IOLS syllabus. But it would have to be updated to incorporate it.

      Bill
      --- In scouter_t@yahoogroups.com, peghite@... wrote:
      >
      > Well said
      >
      > Peg Hite
      > Nashboro Training Chair
      > Middle Tennessee Council
      > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: David Gottshall <gottshalld@...>
      > Sender: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com
      > Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 20:23:36
      > To: <scouter_t@yahoogroups.com>
      > Reply-To: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: Re: [Scouter_T] re: IOLS Test out or anything similar
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      > Jim brings up the issue of the lack of opportunity for an adult to experience the patrol method.
      >
      > As we move forward into the brave new world that has been laid out before us, several issues will come to the forefront.
      >
      > 1. Most new scout leader will not have been scouts.
      > 2. Most new scout leaders will not have had a military experience.
      >
      > These two facts make it even more critical that future adult leader training provides the following:
      >
      > 1. Interaction with those who have been exposed to scouting as a youth.
      > 2. Provide first-hand experience working within a patrol structure.
      > 3. Provide experience in the idiosyncrasies of "Scout Craft" at a location where it is allowed.
      > 4. Provide practice in the methodology of BSA training method including the relation between adults and youth and how to provide "guided discovery" in the out-of-doors.
      > 5. Gain an appreciation of importance of the Outdoor Method and how it makes scouting different than other character-based youth programs.
      > 6. Develop contacts to provide a network of resources for your program.
      >
      > Within every Boy Scout Adult Leader training, these "non-skill" experiences need to be reinforced and expanded.
      >
      > If you think that IOLS is just a series of Tenderfoot to First Class sign offs, you are really short changing the course.
      >
      > Just my two cents ...
      >
      > Dave Gottshall
      > Woburn, MA
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      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: Jim <scoutingislife@...>
      > To: scouter_t <scouter_t@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Sun, Mar 11, 2012 1:12 pm
      > Subject: Re: [Scouter_T] re: IOLS Test out or anything similar
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      >
      > There is a lot more to IOLS than just the skills. If all there was
      > were Scouting skills, then "test outs" would be easy and a lot more
      > common. But the real value of IOLS is in the insight gained from being
      > in a troop setting, using the Patrol Method, and the first hand
      > experience gained from seeing how the program is "supposed" to work.
      > It has been my experience (as a UC, ADC, DC, District and Council
      > training chair) that most districts have too many unit programs where
      > the adult leaders do not fully appreciate how to implement the "patrol
      > method" (or have never learned how in the first place). Too often we
      > see adults not empowering boys to take responsibility for their own
      > program, or even mentoring towards that end. Worst yet are units where
      > the adults literally run the program, giving at best token leadership
      > responsibility to the boys, all in the misguided perception of
      > providing a "quality program". How is a boy going to learn the
      > challenges of leadership and develop his leadership skills if he is
      > not challenged to lead, and to fail if necessary. That is one of the
      > primary purposes of Scouting, one of the eight methods we (supposedly)
      > learned way back when. And THAT is the real power of the full hands-on
      > course and the real learning that takes place beyond the skills
      > themselves. I cannot figure out how you could accomplish all that with
      > a "test out" option. At best, a "test out" is merely skills
      > instruction/verification which is only half the training/learning.
      > IMHO, a "test out" should be used as a last resort only, if at all.
      > And I have not even mentioned the "fun" aspects of the training...
      > something some adults need to learn too!
      >
      > Yours in Service to Scouting,
      > -- Jim
      > Central Florida Council
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      >
      > On Mar 11, 2012, at 12:09 PM, Mike Clark wrote:
      >
      > >
      > >
      > > the real question behind the IOLS test-out is the
      > >
      > > NO ONLY TO HAVE TRAINED LEADERs but
      > >
      > > the value added information & social interexchange
      > >
      > > when attending any organized BSA program.
      > >
      > > The "Test out" option might work in a District which does not
      > >
      > > have "A GOOD TRAINING CULTURE", etc. However, would
      > >
      > > any Unit provide the same method for an Scout working on
      > >
      > > Eagle Award, Quartermaster, or Ranger Awards without satisfying
      > >
      > > the requirements are written??
      > >
      > > The number of TRAINED CUB Scout leaders has not increased
      > >
      > > little or dramatically as expected when the CS Leader Specific
      > >
      > > Training was introduced on myscouting.org a year ago.
      > >
      > > Again, many new leader fail to get the "first-hand" experiences from
      > >
      > > other Leaders met at District or Council level training session.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Michael E. Clark
      > > taskiagi261@...
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