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Re: [Scouter_T] Manditory Training

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  • Samuel Harley
    I would like to see your scoutmaster specific that I am trying on a blackboard online learning platform YISAIB Dr. Samuel F. Harley, PhD Harley Science and
    Message 1 of 10 , Aug 30, 2011
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      I would like to see your "scoutmaster specific that I am trying on a blackboard
      online learning platform"

      YISAIB
      Dr. Samuel F. Harley, PhD
      Harley Science and Technology, Inc




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      From: patrick dulzo <pdulzo@...>
      To: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Tue, August 30, 2011 9:22:08 AM
      Subject: Re: [Scouter_T] Manditory Training


      Well I think I will jumo on the soap box as well. Every scout deserves a
      trained leader. Why would a leader not want to get trained?????? What reason
      would be valid????? I am the district traiing chair for one of two districts
      that are piloting mandatory requirements. Our council allowed the district
      committee to make our own requirements and put them into place. By next charter
      in 2012, all direct contact leaders MUST be trained, and 50% of all non-direct
      contact leaders per unit must be trained.


      The trainers need to get creative for training opportunities though. I am
      grabbing people out of roundtables that need it and having my computer set up
      and logged into my scouting, for IOLS,, I have the test off for the
      "experienced" scouters and am using it. I do not anticipate losing any leaders
      that are active in the direct of non-direct areas. I do expect the charters to
      get "cleaned up" a bit. I know we have leaders still on charters that are not
      active or come once in a while. One of the solutions I cam up with these people
      is talk to them and drop them or move them to committee members, which only
      require online courses.


      I am about finished with a scoutmaster specific that I am trying on a blackboard
      online learning platform that will help out greatly with this class. If any of
      you would like to take a look at it please shoot me a separate email and I would
      welcome any input.


      Patrick Dulzo
      815-970-2751 cell

      --- On Tue, 8/30/11, Rick Hanke <rick_hanke@...> wrote:

      From: Rick Hanke <rick_hanke@...>
      Subject: Re: [Scouter_T] Manditory Training
      To: "scouter_t@yahoogroups.com" <scouter_t@yahoogroups.com>
      Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 6:39 AM



      Well Said & AMEN!

      ________________________________
      From: eagle9252 <eagle9252@...>
      To: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 8:42 PM
      Subject: Re: [Scouter_T] Manditory Training

      {soap box on}

      I don't do politics well.

      I like it the old way, your word is your honor.

      they said have it or leave

      nough said

      sorry to be blunt but there is no reason to continue on this road.

      we have told everyone that in 2 years, if you are not trained in your
      primary position you will not be able to recharter.
      That is so simple even a cave man can understand it. When I was in cub
      scouts the charter org said you will go through our YPT and you will have a
      background check done and you will have your finger prints taken. If you
      have a problem with this your services will no longer be needed.

      if people would spend the energy that they waste on complaining and fix what
      is request you would have extra time left over. I promise!!

      {soap box off}
      On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 7:52 PM, The Rooneys <rooney-family@...>wrote:

      > **
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > > While I agree training is important, I think the implementation has been
      > a bit harsh.
      > > I was literally told, "Thanks for your ten years of service, if you don't
      > take this class by this time, we don't want you any more."
      > >
      > > And I find this statement from your post cold and heartless:
      > >
      > > " If you lose some leaders, you lose them. If you lose a few units, they
      > were probably on their way
      > > out anyway."
      > >
      > > Is this really what's best for the scouts? Why yes..., yes it is the best
      > thing for Scouts.
      >
      > Because Gail, we live in a culture where 80% of the people will do what's
      > right without a deadline. The other 20% will make excuse after excuse,
      > taking up more and more time of the the very volunteers who care the most.
      > My council has been stating for 18 months that mandatory top leader training
      > starts with the 2012 recharter. And the howls of protest are already
      > beginning to start.
      >
      > In response we have NINE scheduled specific program leader training session
      > scheduled and FOUR ITOLS classes (including a 4-6 hour ITOLS test out
      > session for outdoor "experienced" Scouters). We are making Roundtable
      > announcements, phone calls and email notifications to every unit leader in
      > every district.
      >
      > if they can't make time for training, then they are not making time for the
      > scouts in their charge.
      >
      > Shame on them.
      >
      > --- Jim
      >
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      >
      >
      >

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