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  • Herb
    The monthly training updates have been posted with an explanation of why nothing has been posted since november.
    Message 1 of 33 , Mar 14, 2011
      The "monthly" training updates have been posted with an explanation of why nothing has been posted since november.


      Herb D
    • Herb
      Interpretation of Should . Since scouts always do their best and the motto is prepared a good webelos leader is fully trained including outdoor training.
      Message 33 of 33 , Mar 18, 2011
        Interpretation of "Should" . Since scouts always do their best and the motto is prepared a good webelos leader is fully trained including outdoor training.

        herb d

        --- In scouter_t@yahoogroups.com, "spatula751" <bsutilla@...> wrote:
        > I too just opened the thread this morning and now I must respond. I am
        > going to print verbage from a few sources, then respond.
        > From the Guide to Safe Scouting
        > Age Guidelines
        > (http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/HealthandSafety/GSS/gss03.aspx#c
        > <http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/HealthandSafety/GSS/gss03.aspx#c>
        > )
        > The Boy Scouts of America has established the following guidelines for
        > its members' participation in camping activities:
        > * Overnight camping by Tiger Cub, Wolf, and Bear Cub Scout dens as
        > dens is not approved, and certificates of liability insurance will not
        > be provided by the Boy Scouts of America.
        > * Tiger Cubs may participate in boy-parent excursions, day camps,
        > pack overnighters, or council-organized family camping.
        > * Wolf and Bear Cub Scouts and Webelos Scouts may participate in a
        > resident overnight camping program operating under BSA National Camping
        > School– trained leadership and managed by the council.
        > * A Webelos Scout may participate in overnight den camping when
        > supervised by an adult. In most cases, the Webelos Scout will be under
        > the supervision of his parent or guardian. It is essential that each
        > Webelos Scout be under the supervision of a parent-approved adult. Joint
        > Webelos den/troop campouts including the parents of the Webelos Scouts
        > are encouraged to strengthen ties between the pack and troop. Den
        > leaders, pack leaders, and parents are expected to accompany the boys on
        > approved trips.
        > * All Scouts registered in Boy Scout troops are eligible to
        > participate in troop or patrol overnight campouts, camporees, and
        > resident camps.
        > * Boy Scouts and Varsity Scouts 12 through 17 are eligible to
        > participate in national jamborees. Boy Scouts and Varsity Scouts 13
        > through 17 are also eligible to participate in world jamborees and
        > high-adventure programs.
        > * All youth registered in Venturing are eligible to participate in
        > crew, district, council, and national Venturing activities as well as
        > national high-adventure programs and world jamborees.
        > If a well-meaning leader brings along a child who does not meet these
        > age guidelines, disservice is done to the unit because of distractions
        > often caused by younger children. A disservice is also done to the
        > child, who is not trained to participate in such an activity and who, as
        > a nonmember of the group, may be ignored by the older campers.
        > Family Camping
        > Family camping is an outdoor experience, other than resident camping,
        > that involves Cub Scouting , Boy Scouting, or Venturing program elements
        > in overnight settings with two or more family members, including at
        > least one BSA member of that family. Parents are responsible for the
        > supervision of their children, and Youth Protection guidelines apply.
        > Recreational Family
        > Camping Recreational family camping occurs when Scouting families camp
        > as a family unit outside of an organized program. It is a nonstructured
        > camping experience, but is conducted within a Scouting framework on
        > local council-owned or -managed property. Local councils may have family
        > camping grounds available for rent at reasonable rates. Other resources
        > may include equipment, information, and training.
        > References: Resident Camping for Cub Scouting, No. 13-33814,
        > Cub Scout Outdoor Program Guidelines, No. 510-631,
        > and Scoutmaster Handbook, No. 33009
        > Cub Scout Overnight Opportunities
        > Cub Scouts may experience overnight activities in venues other than
        > accredited resident camping. There are two categories of Cub Scout
        > overnighters.
        > Family Camping
        > <<snip>>
        > Pack Overnighters
        > These are pack-organized overnight events involving more than one family
        > from a single pack, focused on age-appropriate Cub Scout activities and
        > conducted at council-approved locations (councils use Pack Overnighter
        > Site Approval Form, No. 13-508). If nonmembers (siblings) participate,
        > the event must be structured accordingly to accommodate them. BSA health
        > and safety and Youth Protection guidelines apply. In most cases, each
        > youth member will be under the supervision of a parent or guardian. In
        > all cases, each youth participant is responsible to a specific adult.
        > At least one adult on a pack overnighter must have completed Basic Adult
        > Leader Outdoor Orientation (BALOO, No. 34162) to properly understand the
        > importance of program intent, Youth Protection guidelines, health and
        > safety, site selection, age-appropriate activities, and sufficient adult
        > participation. Permits for campouts shall be issued locally. Packs use
        > Tour Plan, No. 680-014. Reference: Cub Scout Outdoor Program Guidelines,
        > No. 510-631
        > **********
        > Now, first when National says "Cub Scout" or say "Pack" they are all
        > inclusive to all the programs in Cub Scouting. This includes Tigers,
        > Wolfs, Bears and Webelos. Thus, BALOO is REQUIRED for any Pack
        > organized overnight event. When you file a tour plan, you can't file it
        > as Den; you file as a Pack. Thus it is a Pack event; thus BALOO is
        > required.
        > So, whey do we even have Outdoor Leader Skills for Webelos Leaders?
        > Because that course is designed to teach Webelos leaders how to
        > deliver/teach the outdoor Webelos Activity Pin awards. Just like
        > Introduction to Outdoor Leader Skills is designed to teach Boy Scout
        > Leaders how to deliver/teach the outdoor skills in the First Class
        > Ranks.
        > The two courses are NOT the same, AND should not be taught together.
        > BALOO is a course that can be taught inside in the dead of winter; the
        > only outdoor must for BALOO is the cooking. BALOO is a safety course;
        > OLSWL is a skills course.
        > This is why BALOO is required for any overnight Pack (all inclusive)
        > event. And as someone who has processed tour permits in 5 different
        > councils if you don't have it; it will be denied.
        > Yours in Scouting,
        > Brian Sutilla
        > District Director
        > --- In scouter_t@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Huber" <MHuber@> wrote:
        > >
        > > I'm a bit surprised at all the discussion about the BSA being vague
        > and open to interpretation on this policy. It is actually crystal clear
        > when you read the G2SS. I.e., BALOO is *required* for *pack*
        > overnighters. Leaders *should* have OLSWL for a Webelos Den
        > overnighter.
        > >
        > > Don't read into these. Pack means pack, not Webelos Den. Should
        > means should, not must. The BSA is not in the habit of publishing what
        > is NOT policy, so there is no need to read into anything. If Webelos
        > Den overnighters are not specifically mentioned in the statement about
        > BALOO, then they are not bound by this policy. Period.
        > >
        > > Now, that said, there's no such thing as being overtrained, and if you
        > really want to provide the *best* possible program for your boys, then
        > rationally you would want to take as much training as you can. Policies
        > are about minimums, being the best is a different matter. The advice of
        > the professional at National is good advice, but if it's not in print,
        > then it's not a policy.
        > >
        > > As for the mention of the legal aspects/concers, should something bad
        > happen, this is not the purpose of either BALOO or OLSWL. Those are
        > basic skills courses. Legal matters are only be concerned with YPT.
        > >
        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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