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Re: [Scouter_T] Re: Youth Protection Guidelines Conflict?

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  • Scouter Chuck
    David Wildschuetz wrote: [snip] ... But they _aren t_, and that s my point! The Diocese program says not to tell anyone else _except_ their contact for these
    Message 1 of 39 , Dec 14, 2010
      David Wildschuetz wrote:

      > if you report it to the SE and the Diocese contact, both program
      > rules are satisfied.

      But they _aren't_, and that's my point!

      The Diocese program says not to tell anyone else _except_ their
      contact for these reports. They did actually tell me that I
      _couldn't_ report any such suspicion to the SE, under their rules.

      Also, as I said before, this was ~3 years ago when I took that
      training. That may have changed in the interim, I don't know.
      I am going by what was taught at that time. Since I no longer
      have the contact with the congregation members the way I used
      to, I no longer need the training. (For the record, I was a
      "Stand-by Usher", meaning that I didn't have a regular Sunday
      assignment, but would fill in if needed when I was at Mass.)

      Again, the only reason I made the comment in the first place was
      as an illustration of a point where the BSA model deviates from
      real life. This wasn't intended to become a topic all on its own.


      Chuck Bramlet -- Phoenix, Az. ----- mailto:antelope95@...
      I "used to be" an Antelope! -- WEM-10-95
      Thunderbird District -- Grand Canyon Council
      District Committee Member at Large
      "The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing"
      -- Stephen R. Covey
    • Jamie Niss Dunn
      Message 39 of 39 , Jan 3, 2011
        <<Wouldn't BSA YPT efforts be more effective parents of scouts were trained? Seems to me if the parent is informed through training that there is no one on one contact with youth they would have a chance of catching Mr. Pervert Scout Leader or at least denying him the opportunity of using scouting as a venue.>>

        The official title of the DVD is Youth Protection Guidelines: Training for Leaders and Parents. So BSA does want parents to take the course. It is one of the reasons you can log in and take the online training without a membership number, so parent can access it.

        The challenge is to get parents to take it. We offer YPT a couple times a year in our troop for Scouts and adults (different content of course). Generally, I get the registered leaders and a couple parents, although we get parents sitting through the youth course, which is _some_ consolation. I explain two deep and no one-on-one to the Scouts and their parents. The youth sessions have good attendance.

        The problem comes with parents who know the rules and ignore them. We had an incident a couple years ago in my council, SM was taking kids camping with no second leader, grooming boys for private meetings, etc. Some of the parents/committee supposedly passed it off as "That's just "Bob", he's O.K.". A Scout finally told his parents and of course the SM was expelled. It has made some of us more cognizant of the training. We have provided every unit in our district with a DVD with all five adult and youth training courses on it, and encourage its use in every unit. The council has created a mechanism on their web site for us to record every training session we present, and who attended.

        I did a course in October for the pack which is associated with the troop I serve. More than 40 parents were in attendance.

        Jamie Niss Dunn
        Pack Trainer, Pack 512
        Blaine/Coon Rapids, MN
        Troop Committee, Troop 509
        Ham Lake, MN
        Secretary, Crew 849
        Coon Rapids, MN
        Cub Scout Training Coordinator
        Cub Scout Roundtable Commissioner
        Three Rivers District

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