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Re: [Scouter_T] Re: Youth Protection Guidelines Conflict?

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  • Eric Shellgren
    Oops. I missed the line in the earlier email that said and no one else. I failed to get the whole question. It was on the next line in my primative email
    Message 1 of 39 , Dec 14, 2010
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      Oops. I missed the line in the earlier email that said "and no one else." I failed to get the whole question. It was on the next line in my primative email program.

      Reporting to the SE should always be mandatory. Not doing that would help keep some organizations from ever dealing with the issue.

      EA Shellgren
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Walsh, John (AGO)
      To: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 8:49 AM
      Subject: RE: [Scouter_T] Re: Youth Protection Guidelines Conflict?

      The Guide to Safe Scouting does not limit Scouters to reporting only to their Scout Executive, but requires reporting to the Scout Executive. It then explains to tell the Scout that you must forward his report to proper authorities, but that you will tell no one else. It goes on to say that various state laws may require additional reports, besides the Scout Executive. My state requires reports from a variety of people based upon their occupations: ie teachers, firefighters, paramedics, clergy members, etc. Although the guide tells you to be careful to not tell anyone other than the Scout Executive and your child protective services agency, this is meant to protect Scouters from liability for spreading false reports, not to limit reports to proper authorities, which may include a reporting mechanism within your sponsoring organization.

      What should I do if a child tells me that he has been sexually abused?
      How an adult responds to a child when he tries to disclose abuse can influence the outcome of the child's victimization. By maintaining an apparent calm, the adult can help reassure the child that everything is going to be okay. By not criticizing the child, we counteract any statements the molester made to the victim about the child getting into trouble. Reassure the child that you are concerned about what happened to him and that you would like to get him some help. Allegations by a Scout concerning abuse in the program must be reported to the Scout executive. Since these reports are required, the child should be told that you have to tell the proper authorities but that you will not tell anyone else. It is important that you not tell anyone other than the Scout executive or the child protective services agency about allegations of abuse-if the allegations cannot be substantiated, you could be sued for defamation of character.
      How do I know what my reporting responsibilities are?
      Every state, the District of Columbia, and the U.S. territories have different reporting requirements. As part of youth protection training, you will receive reporting instructions for your area and for your council. People are often concerned about being sued for reporting child abuse. You are not required to know for certain that a child has been abused. All that the law requires is that you have a reasonable suspicion and are reporting in "good faith." When these requirements are met, all states provide immunity from liability for child abuse reporters.

      From: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scouter_t@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Shellgren
      Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 11:36 AM
      To: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Scouter_T] Re: Youth Protection Guidelines Conflict?

      http://scouting.org/sitecore/content/Home/HealthandSafety/GSS/gss01.aspx says it very specfically... That would be the first page of the Guide to Safe Scouting.

      EA Shellgren
      Mount Baker Council

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Mark Huber
      To: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com<mailto:scouter_t%40yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 6:11 AM
      Subject: [Scouter_T] Re: Youth Protection Guidelines Conflict?

      Sorry, but where in the BSA Youth Protection Guidelines does it say that we are to report suspected abuse "to the SE and no one else?" Every YPT resource that I have ever seen from the BSA states that reporting procedures vary by council, and to consult with the local council for their procedures. Perhaps that is the procuedure in your local council, but it is not a BSA policy.

      --- In scouter_t@yahoogroups.com<mailto:scouter_t%40yahoogroups.com>, Scouter Chuck <antelope95@...> wrote:
      > One part of this is specifically in conflict with the BSA Youth
      > Protection Guidelines, in that we are to report suspected abuse
      > to the SE, and no one else. In the case of suspected abuse in a
      > Church Sponsored Troop, the item is to be reported to the contact
      > person at the Diocese, _and_no_one_else_. Not even the SE.

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    • Jamie Niss Dunn
      Message 39 of 39 , Jan 3, 2011
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        <<Wouldn't BSA YPT efforts be more effective parents of scouts were trained? Seems to me if the parent is informed through training that there is no one on one contact with youth they would have a chance of catching Mr. Pervert Scout Leader or at least denying him the opportunity of using scouting as a venue.>>

        The official title of the DVD is Youth Protection Guidelines: Training for Leaders and Parents. So BSA does want parents to take the course. It is one of the reasons you can log in and take the online training without a membership number, so parent can access it.

        The challenge is to get parents to take it. We offer YPT a couple times a year in our troop for Scouts and adults (different content of course). Generally, I get the registered leaders and a couple parents, although we get parents sitting through the youth course, which is _some_ consolation. I explain two deep and no one-on-one to the Scouts and their parents. The youth sessions have good attendance.

        The problem comes with parents who know the rules and ignore them. We had an incident a couple years ago in my council, SM was taking kids camping with no second leader, grooming boys for private meetings, etc. Some of the parents/committee supposedly passed it off as "That's just "Bob", he's O.K.". A Scout finally told his parents and of course the SM was expelled. It has made some of us more cognizant of the training. We have provided every unit in our district with a DVD with all five adult and youth training courses on it, and encourage its use in every unit. The council has created a mechanism on their web site for us to record every training session we present, and who attended.

        I did a course in October for the pack which is associated with the troop I serve. More than 40 parents were in attendance.

        Jamie Niss Dunn
        Pack Trainer, Pack 512
        Blaine/Coon Rapids, MN
        Troop Committee, Troop 509
        Ham Lake, MN
        Secretary, Crew 849
        Coon Rapids, MN
        Cub Scout Training Coordinator
        Cub Scout Roundtable Commissioner
        Three Rivers District

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