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RE: BSA Training: Model vs Reality?

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  • Glen Hoshizaki
    I m disappointed to hear that the Troop Program Features appears not to be helpful in troop program planning. One of my interests is in helping our troop
    Message 1 of 39 , Dec 11, 2010
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      I'm disappointed to hear that the Troop Program Features appears not to be
      helpful in troop program planning. One of my interests is in helping our
      troop improve its planning process, and I assumed that the Troop Program
      Features would play an important role. It seems to me that they would
      provide a good way for the PLC as well as the adult leaders to see the
      breadth of potential activities open to them. Or are you saying that the
      specific plans outlined in the Troop Program Features are not realistic?


      From: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scouter_t@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
      Of Dan Kurtenbach
      Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 10:04 AM

      Page 123 and following, the notion that troops should use Troop Program
      (formerly Woods Wisdom) as a central reference for annual planning. I'm
      they must be out there somewhere, but I have never yet encountered a troop
      actually used Troop Program Features in any significant way to guide their
      planning. There was recently a discussion of Annual Troop Planning on the
      Boy-Scout-Talk discussion list, and of the various responses I read
      "how we do it," none mentioned Troop Program Features.

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    • Jamie Niss Dunn
      Message 39 of 39 , Jan 3, 2011
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        <<Wouldn't BSA YPT efforts be more effective parents of scouts were trained? Seems to me if the parent is informed through training that there is no one on one contact with youth they would have a chance of catching Mr. Pervert Scout Leader or at least denying him the opportunity of using scouting as a venue.>>

        The official title of the DVD is Youth Protection Guidelines: Training for Leaders and Parents. So BSA does want parents to take the course. It is one of the reasons you can log in and take the online training without a membership number, so parent can access it.

        The challenge is to get parents to take it. We offer YPT a couple times a year in our troop for Scouts and adults (different content of course). Generally, I get the registered leaders and a couple parents, although we get parents sitting through the youth course, which is _some_ consolation. I explain two deep and no one-on-one to the Scouts and their parents. The youth sessions have good attendance.

        The problem comes with parents who know the rules and ignore them. We had an incident a couple years ago in my council, SM was taking kids camping with no second leader, grooming boys for private meetings, etc. Some of the parents/committee supposedly passed it off as "That's just "Bob", he's O.K.". A Scout finally told his parents and of course the SM was expelled. It has made some of us more cognizant of the training. We have provided every unit in our district with a DVD with all five adult and youth training courses on it, and encourage its use in every unit. The council has created a mechanism on their web site for us to record every training session we present, and who attended.

        I did a course in October for the pack which is associated with the troop I serve. More than 40 parents were in attendance.

        Jamie Niss Dunn
        Pack Trainer, Pack 512
        Blaine/Coon Rapids, MN
        Troop Committee, Troop 509
        Ham Lake, MN
        Secretary, Crew 849
        Coon Rapids, MN
        Cub Scout Training Coordinator
        Cub Scout Roundtable Commissioner
        Three Rivers District

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