Re: Cub Leader Online Training: One Review
- I suspect that this may be something that needs to get tweaked as they work out the bugs, and there are a few, like odd notes about certain "required" achievements in Wolf and Bear that don't line up with reality.
The good news is that as an on line course, tweaking should be faster than new books.
Some of this is due also to the condensing of the material: there is less information (and nuance) conveyed in the On Line Training than if a Live Trainer covered all of the slides and notes in the Syllabus. (that is not necessarily a bad thing, as a lot of the choices are valid to be effective and succinct).
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "bnelson45" <bnelson45@...> wrote:
> None of the wolf element is conveyed in the online training. In fact, your tested on the meaning of the cub scout sign and the only correct answer is it means to be quiet.
- Back in 1962, at my first Pack meeting, I was told "When the hand goes up, the mouth goes shut". Functional use of the Cub Scout sign, however convoluted, seems to have become a part of our culture - regardless of how PC we are when we describe its use. Today, it's "the ears of a Wolf listening" - a kinder, gentler way to communicate basically the same message.
--- In email@example.com, "Bert" <bbender@...> wrote:
> I think that element conflates "meaning of" the sign in a meeting (in the nature of "what it stands for") with "functional use of" (in the nature of "how is it used, and what do you do when it is used"), reinforced by the concept that the "two fingers" are often also said to "represent" the ears of a Wolf listening.
> Technically, I believe, the "meaning" of the two fingers is to highlight these elements of the Cub Scout Promise: "help other people" and "obey the Law of the Pack".
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Bill" <bnelson45@> wrote:
> > Just a quick question from someone who has been out of Cubbing for a long while. Is the meaning of the Cub Scout sign really to be quiet?
- Phil said:
> The pros are that the training will be more consistent as the training delivered will be thorough and will always ensure that all of the necessary information is delivered.Thanks for your review Phil. As someone that does this for a living your feedback was very interesting.
I just completed the Tiger Cub online training. I thought it was very similar to other online offerings from BSA. I liked the convenience. I can read the books to fill in any other material in between.
I took a snippet of your review above. I agree. Uniform presentation is a good thing. It bothers me when trainers give incorrect information in training courses. How many times have we heard, "at training they said..." followed by incorrect information. I've been doing Venturing training for several years and I cringe when TRAINERS say "VenturE" or "VenturE Scout" or any other incorrect term, let alone information.
An aspect of the online training that I don't think has been mentioned yet, is that I hope the accessibility of this training online will hopefully reduce the work load of trainers. If the online training is successful I think this will be significant. For a few years I've been responsible for putting on LST courses for Varsity Scouting and Venturing and it is no small feat to recruit the instructors, advertise, arrange for the training facilities, gather equipment, etc. I like training, but I would love to have this time freed up so that I could put that time and effort into other scouting endeavors.
Other feedback on the training:
- I think that BSA is too fond of _lists_ in their trainings. There are lists of methods, purposes, core values, meeting order, and on and on and on... I think more often than not these lists are forgotten on the very next screen. I know they are for me and I have been involved in Scouting for several years.
- I did the Tiger Cub training in two sittings, at two different computers and I was able to pick up where I left off which was nice. I think the introduction screen was repeated but that was ok. A one screen review of what was presented before would have been nice.
I haven't had a chance to read the new Cub Scout syllabus, so I can't compare online to written yet.
Overall, I liked the training. It was convenient and presented the information I needed to know. Now I'm Trained! ;-)