Re: New Myscouting Tool: Training Validation
- All (and Frank),
Wood Badge (along with Philmont Training Courses, National Camp School Courses, etc.) is a little weird when it comes to data entry.
Registrars only enter the information in which they are officially given. When it comes to trainings, this means they have received a Training Report. For special courses like Wood Badge, the registrar is never given a training completion report. So s/he has no way to know to actually enter it into the system.
But Wood Badge has been around forever... yep, but in the course director's guide (Wood Badge Administration Guide) the 19-Month Report is given to several place but never says give to the registrar. Thus the registrar never gets anything to say: these people have completed the course, add it to their record.
For courses like, National Camp School and Philmont, you actually need to make a copy of your certificate and give it to the registrar and ask them to add it to your training record.
This is just another example of why it is crucial training records get to the registrar at the completion of any training course. We are in the middle of updating our training records right now; we have found a number of people to a IOLS, SMS, etc. and no training report was ever submitted to "the council."
For your question as to which date...IMHO, it should be the completion date of the Wood Badge Ticket. Why? That is the actual date an individual completes the full course. If you don't complete your ticket you have not completed Wood Badge.
Yours in Scouting,
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Frank Maynard <scouter@...> wrote:
> Mine all seem to be there except for Wood Badge and the very first Cub
> Leader Basic Training taken in 1999.
> What is the "official" completion date for Wood Badge? Is it the last day
> of the course, or the day your Troop Guide accepts your completed ticket,
> or the day the Course Director accepts your ticket, or the day of your
> beading? Or none of the above?
> Yours in Scouting,
> Frank Maynard, NF8M
> CC, Troop 407; CR, Pack 54, Novi, Michigan
> Ottawa District Training Chair, Great Lakes Council
> Trustee, WB8BSA ...and a good old Bobwhite too! (C-23-04)
The 1911 date: The first thing I need to say is a great programing/data entry phrase..."Garbage in = Garbage out"
If bad information get entered, then you will get things like this 1911 date.
So why would your record have a 1911 date:
1. Yes, Laura is correct. When the data transfer happened from the Old System to ScoutNET, training records were not initially transfered. Then their was a piece meal transfer; many trainings in the old system did not have dates. ScoutNET requires a date...Thus 1911.
2. Jamie is correct, it is used as "dummy data." (note not all registrars use this date some use another) When the person entering the information can't obtain a date this is what is used. Many times it happens when a Scouter says "I took XXXX course, I'm trained." [note: I am not opening the philosophical can of worms here as to whether or not we take volunteers at their word.]
3. If you can remember when adult applications had a one box "Trained?" response for F, B, T (Fast Start, Basic, Trained). At one point that was all that was kept track of. This could be another reason for the 1911 date.
Their may be others, these are just the main ones.
How do someone get it fixed? They need to follow their council's protocols for record corrections (like an address change) and get the correct dates.
Remember a computer only does what someone has told it to do. Thus if you feed it "garbage" you will get "garbage" back.
Yours in Scouting,
--- In email@example.com, "fox704" <fox704@...> wrote:
> The 1911 date is from the conversion from Unix to ScoutNet that took place about 10 years ago. The courses transferred but not the actual dates.
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Jamie Niss Dunn <JNDunnMN@> wrote:
> > >and some older folks (just in their 60's) have training that says 1911, LOL.
> > I have a couple courses listed with the 1911 date, and I still have 5 years to go until I'm 60. I think its used as a default date for when a registrar goes back and cleans up training records. If the date of the course is unknown, then they use 1911.
> > Jamie Niss Dunn
> > Pack Trainer, Pack 512
> > Blaine/Coon Rapids, MN
> > Troop Committee, Troop 509
> > Ham Lake, MN
> > Secretary, Crew 849
> > Coon Rapids, MN
> > Cub Scout Training Coordinator
> > Cub Scout Roundtable Commissioner
> > Three Rivers District
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
- That's correct. After I moved out here I received a new card from my new
council. It never occurred to me to check the numbers so when I logged on
with my new council card....everything was gone. So, we had to go back to
my old council and get the records to manually reconcile them. You'd think
there would be a better process by now.
C. J. Johnson, BHS, NREMT-P (Ret.)
District Training Chair
Big Pines District
Crater Lake Council
<<I checked my Training Validation, and it only has the training that I took
since 2003 (which is just after I moved to West Virginia). It doesn't show
any training from the time when I first became an adult volunteer in 1981,
including Scoutmaster Fundamentals, Outdoor Leader Training, Wood Badge,
etc., nor does it show any of my professional training (I used to be a
From what I understand, your member # changes when you change councils, so
training taken in another council doesn't automatically follow you. I
believe when you transfer councils you have to take your record from your
old council to the new council and have the training manually entered.
Jamie Niss Dunn
Pack Trainer, Pack 512
Blaine/Coon Rapids, MN
Troop Committee, Troop 509
Ham Lake, MN
Secretary, Crew 849
Coon Rapids, MN
Cub Scout Training Coordinator
Cub Scout Roundtable Commissioner
Three Rivers District
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