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  • Stephen Lark
    ... fanatic; he persecuted Lollards. I don t recall that Henry V or Henry VI(who wasn t all there to begin with), did much to persecute anybody. But then,
    Message 1 of 28 , Nov 1, 2007
      --- In sceptredisle@yahoogroups.com, "Anne Gilbert" <avgilbert@...>
      wrote:
      >
      > Stephen:
      >
      > Well, IIRC, Henry IV was supposed to be kind of a religious
      fanatic; he persecuted Lollards. I don't recall that Henry V or
      Henry VI(who wasn't "all there" to begin with), did much to persecute
      anybody. But then, I don't know this particular period that well, so
      maybe someone who is better than informed than I am, will have better
      information.
      > Anne G

      Henry V was a voracious persecutor and there are cases under Henry
      VII whilst we all know of Henry VIII's "even-handed" approach and his
      elder daughter's record. Between 1422 and 1485 there are very few
      cases - Jeanne d'Arc and others fall during Henry VI's minority.

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      > ...... was religious persecution in England a Lancastrian policy?
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    • Anne Gilbert
      Stephen: I wouldn t call the case of Joan of Arc Lancastrian policy , though, other than the fact that Henry VI was (nominally) the king. But he was in no
      Message 2 of 28 , Nov 1, 2007
        Stephen:
         
        I wouldn't call the case of Joan of Arc "Lancastrian policy", though, other than the fact that Henry VI was (nominally) the king.  But he was in no position to influence these events one way or another, although his English supporters certainly did, for their own reasons.  So I don't think this is a good example.  As for Henry V, now that you mention it, I vaguely remember something about his going after Lollards, but that's about it.  I'm less familiar with this period than you are.
        Anne G
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        Subject: [sceptredisle] Re: To what extent ..........

        --- In sceptredisle@ yahoogroups. com, "Anne Gilbert" <avgilbert@. ..>
        wrote:
        >
        > Stephen:
        >
        > Well, IIRC, Henry IV was supposed to be kind of a religious
        fanatic; he persecuted Lollards. I don't recall that Henry V or
        Henry VI(who wasn't "all there" to begin with), did much to persecute
        anybody. But then, I don't know this particular period that well, so
        maybe someone who is better than informed than I am, will have better
        information.
        > Anne G

        Henry V was a voracious persecutor and there are cases under Henry
        VII whilst we all know of Henry VIII's "even-handed" approach and his
        elder daughter's record. Between 1422 and 1485 there are very few
        cases - Jeanne d'Arc and others fall during Henry VI's minority.

        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: Stephen Lark
        > To: sceptredisle@ yahoogroups. com
        > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 3:45 AM
        > Subject: [sceptredisle] To what extent ..........
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        >
        > ...... was religious persecution in England a Lancastrian policy?
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      • Stephen Lark
        Jeanne d Arc died during Henry VI s minority. His Regent in England was Humphrey, Duke of Gloucester and in France was John, Duke of Bedford. Both were Henry
        Message 3 of 28 , Nov 2, 2007
          Jeanne d'Arc died during Henry VI's minority. His Regent in England
          was Humphrey, Duke of Gloucester and in France was John, Duke of
          Bedford. Both were Henry V's brothers.

          PS I hope someone other than ourselves is reading this forum!

          --- In sceptredisle@yahoogroups.com, "Anne Gilbert" <avgilbert@...>
          wrote:
          >
          > Stephen:
          >
          > I wouldn't call the case of Joan of Arc "Lancastrian policy",
          though, other than the fact that Henry VI was (nominally) the king.
          But he was in no position to influence these events one way or
          another, although his English supporters certainly did, for their own
          reasons. So I don't think this is a good example. As for Henry V,
          now that you mention it, I vaguely remember something about his going
          after Lollards, but that's about it. I'm less familiar with this
          period than you are.
          > Anne G
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: Stephen Lark
          > To: sceptredisle@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:42 AM
          > Subject: [sceptredisle] Re: To what extent ..........
          >
          >
          > --- In sceptredisle@yahoogroups.com, "Anne Gilbert" <avgilbert@>
          > wrote:
          > >
          > > Stephen:
          > >
          > > Well, IIRC, Henry IV was supposed to be kind of a religious
          > fanatic; he persecuted Lollards. I don't recall that Henry V or
          > Henry VI(who wasn't "all there" to begin with), did much to
          persecute
          > anybody. But then, I don't know this particular period that well,
          so
          > maybe someone who is better than informed than I am, will have
          better
          > information.
          > > Anne G
          >
          > Henry V was a voracious persecutor and there are cases under
          Henry
          > VII whilst we all know of Henry VIII's "even-handed" approach and
          his
          > elder daughter's record. Between 1422 and 1485 there are very few
          > cases - Jeanne d'Arc and others fall during Henry VI's minority.
          >
          > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > From: Stephen Lark
          > > To: sceptredisle@yahoogroups.com
          > > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 3:45 AM
          > > Subject: [sceptredisle] To what extent ..........
          > >
          > >
          > > ...... was religious persecution in England a Lancastrian
          policy?
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        • Charles Fregeau
          I m reading it. Scratching my head at the spammer that appeared earlier this week. Charles ... From: Stephen Lark To: sceptredisle@yahoogroups.com Sent:
          Message 4 of 28 , Nov 2, 2007
            I'm reading it.  Scratching my head at the spammer that appeared earlier this week.
             
            Charles
             
            ----- Original Message -----
            Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:13 PM
            Subject: [sceptredisle] Re: To what extent ..........

            Jeanne d'Arc died during Henry VI's minority. His Regent in England
            was Humphrey, Duke of Gloucester and in France was John, Duke of
            Bedford. Both were Henry V's brothers.

            PS I hope someone other than ourselves is reading this forum!

            --- In sceptredisle@ yahoogroups. com, "Anne Gilbert" <avgilbert@. ..>
            wrote:
            >
            > Stephen:
            >
            > I wouldn't call the case of Joan of Arc "Lancastrian policy",
            though, other than the fact that Henry VI was (nominally) the king.
            But he was in no position to influence these events one way or
            another, although his English supporters certainly did, for their own
            reasons. So I don't think this is a good example. As for Henry V,
            now that you mention it, I vaguely remember something about his going
            after Lollards, but that's about it. I'm less familiar with this
            period than you are.
            > Anne G
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: Stephen Lark
            > To: sceptredisle@ yahoogroups. com
            > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:42 AM
            > Subject: [sceptredisle] Re: To what extent ..........
            >
            >
            > --- In sceptredisle@ yahoogroups. com, "Anne Gilbert" <avgilbert@>
            > wrote:
            > >
            > > Stephen:
            > >
            > > Well, IIRC, Henry IV was supposed to be kind of a religious
            > fanatic; he persecuted Lollards. I don't recall that Henry V or
            > Henry VI(who wasn't "all there" to begin with), did much to
            persecute
            > anybody. But then, I don't know this particular period that well,
            so
            > maybe someone who is better than informed than I am, will have
            better
            > information.
            > > Anne G
            >
            > Henry V was a voracious persecutor and there are cases under
            Henry
            > VII whilst we all know of Henry VIII's "even-handed" approach and
            his
            > elder daughter's record. Between 1422 and 1485 there are very few
            > cases - Jeanne d'Arc and others fall during Henry VI's minority.
            >
            > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > From: Stephen Lark
            > > To: sceptredisle@ yahoogroups. com
            > > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 3:45 AM
            > > Subject: [sceptredisle] To what extent ..........
            > >
            > >
            > > ...... was religious persecution in England a Lancastrian
            policy?
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
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          • Stephen Lark
            ... earlier this week. ... Thanks, Charles. He disappeared fairly quickly as well - as soon as I discovered how to delete both the message and him. I presume
            Message 5 of 28 , Nov 2, 2007
              --- In sceptredisle@yahoogroups.com, "Charles Fregeau" <n5hsr@...>
              wrote:
              >
              > I'm reading it. Scratching my head at the spammer that appeared
              earlier this week.
              >
              > Charles
              >
              Thanks, Charles. He disappeared fairly quickly as well - as soon as I
              discovered how to delete both the message and him. I presume that is
              how we are supposed to deal with such people:

              OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!

              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: Stephen Lark
              > To: sceptredisle@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:13 PM
              > Subject: [sceptredisle] Re: To what extent ..........
              >
              >
              > Jeanne d'Arc died during Henry VI's minority. His Regent in
              England
              > was Humphrey, Duke of Gloucester and in France was John, Duke of
              > Bedford. Both were Henry V's brothers.
              >
              > PS I hope someone other than ourselves is reading this forum!
              >
              > --- In sceptredisle@yahoogroups.com, "Anne Gilbert" <avgilbert@>
              > wrote:
              > >
              > > Stephen:
              > >
              > > I wouldn't call the case of Joan of Arc "Lancastrian policy",
              > though, other than the fact that Henry VI was (nominally) the
              king.
              > But he was in no position to influence these events one way or
              > another, although his English supporters certainly did, for their
              own
              > reasons. So I don't think this is a good example. As for Henry V,
              > now that you mention it, I vaguely remember something about his
              going
              > after Lollards, but that's about it. I'm less familiar with this
              > period than you are.
              > > Anne G
              > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > From: Stephen Lark
              > > To: sceptredisle@yahoogroups.com
              > > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:42 AM
              > > Subject: [sceptredisle] Re: To what extent ..........
              > >
              > >
              > > --- In sceptredisle@yahoogroups.com, "Anne Gilbert"
              <avgilbert@>
              > > wrote:
              > > >
              > > > Stephen:
              > > >
              > > > Well, IIRC, Henry IV was supposed to be kind of a religious
              > > fanatic; he persecuted Lollards. I don't recall that Henry V or
              > > Henry VI(who wasn't "all there" to begin with), did much to
              > persecute
              > > anybody. But then, I don't know this particular period that
              well,
              > so
              > > maybe someone who is better than informed than I am, will have
              > better
              > > information.
              > > > Anne G
              > >
              > > Henry V was a voracious persecutor and there are cases under
              > Henry
              > > VII whilst we all know of Henry VIII's "even-handed" approach
              and
              > his
              > > elder daughter's record. Between 1422 and 1485 there are very
              few
              > > cases - Jeanne d'Arc and others fall during Henry VI's minority.
              > >
              > > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > > From: Stephen Lark
              > > > To: sceptredisle@yahoogroups.com
              > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 3:45 AM
              > > > Subject: [sceptredisle] To what extent ..........
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > ...... was religious persecution in England a Lancastrian
              > policy?
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
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              > > ----------
              > > >
              > > >
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              > > 10/31/2007 4:38 PM
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            • Anne Gilbert
              Stephen: Okay. I see what you re getting at here. But that still wouldn t make Henry himself responsible. He was too young to be responsible for much of
              Message 6 of 28 , Nov 2, 2007
                Stephen:
                 
                Okay.  I see what you're getting at here.  But that still wouldn't make Henry himself responsible.  He was too young to be responsible for much of anything.  And anyway, it's my understanding that Joan ended up burned to a crisp because she basically got "shafted" by her supposed French supporters, and ended up somehow in the hands of the Burgundians who were supported by the English(which would more or less make this "Lancastrian policy" by default), but by that time, nobody had any immediate use for whatever her talents actually were.  I'm actually a little unclear as to just why she ended up a prisoner and not a hero(ine).
                Anne G

                Jeanne d'Arc died during Henry VI's minority. His Regent in England
                was Humphrey, Duke of Gloucester and in France was John, Duke of
                Bedford. Both were Henry V's brothers.

                .




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              • Anne Gilbert
                Charles: Re the spammer. I just sent him to my blocked sender s list. I m glad you re reading this thread too, though. Anne G I m reading it. Scratching my
                Message 7 of 28 , Nov 2, 2007
                  Charles:
                   
                  Re the spammer.  I just sent him to my blocked sender's list.  I'm glad you're reading this thread too, though.
                  Anne G
                   
                   

                  I'm reading it.  Scratching my head at the spammer that appeared earlier this week.
                   
                  Charles
                   
                  ----- Original Message -----
                  Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:13 PM
                  Subject: [sceptredisle] Re: To what extent ..........

                  Jeanne d'Arc died during Henry VI's minority. His Regent in England
                  was Humphrey, Duke of Gloucester and in France was John, Duke of
                  Bedford. Both were Henry V's brothers.

                  PS I hope someone other than ourselves is reading this forum!

                  --- In sceptredisle@ yahoogroups. com, "Anne Gilbert" <avgilbert@. ..>
                  wrote:
                  >
                  > Stephen:
                  >
                  > I wouldn't call the case of Joan of Arc "Lancastrian policy",
                  though, other than the fact that Henry VI was (nominally) the king.
                  But he was in no position to influence these events one way or
                  another, although his English supporters certainly did, for their own
                  reasons. So I don't think this is a good example. As for Henry V,
                  now that you mention it, I vaguely remember something about his going
                  after Lollards, but that's about it. I'm less familiar with this
                  period than you are.
                  > Anne G
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: Stephen Lark
                  > To: sceptredisle@ yahoogroups. com
                  > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:42 AM
                  > Subject: [sceptredisle] Re: To what extent ..........
                  >
                  >
                  > --- In sceptredisle@ yahoogroups. com, "Anne Gilbert" <avgilbert@>
                  > wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Stephen:
                  > >
                  > > Well, IIRC, Henry IV was supposed to be kind of a religious
                  > fanatic; he persecuted Lollards. I don't recall that Henry V or
                  > Henry VI(who wasn't "all there" to begin with), did much to
                  persecute
                  > anybody. But then, I don't know this particular period that well,
                  so
                  > maybe someone who is better than informed than I am, will have
                  better
                  > information.
                  > > Anne G
                  >
                  > Henry V was a voracious persecutor and there are cases under
                  Henry
                  > VII whilst we all know of Henry VIII's "even-handed" approach and
                  his
                  > elder daughter's record. Between 1422 and 1485 there are very few
                  > cases - Jeanne d'Arc and others fall during Henry VI's minority.
                  >
                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > From: Stephen Lark
                  > > To: sceptredisle@ yahoogroups. com
                  > > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 3:45 AM
                  > > Subject: [sceptredisle] To what extent ..........
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ...... was religious persecution in England a Lancastrian
                  policy?
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                • Anne Gilbert
                  Stephen: If I d remembered at the time that I m supposed to be a moderator of this list, I would have deleted him rather quickly. I ve had to do this kind of
                  Message 8 of 28 , Nov 2, 2007
                    Stephen:
                     
                    If I'd remembered at the time that I'm supposed to be a moderator of this list, I would have deleted him rather quickly.  I've had to do this kind of thing previously, but only very occasionally.
                    Anne G
                    ----- Original Message -----
                    Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:35 PM
                    Subject: [sceptredisle] Re: To what extent ..........

                    --- In sceptredisle@ yahoogroups. com, "Charles Fregeau" <n5hsr@...>
                    wrote:
                    >
                    > I'm reading it. Scratching my head at the spammer that appeared
                    earlier this week.
                    >
                    > Charles
                    >
                    Thanks, Charles. He disappeared fairly quickly as well - as soon as I
                    discovered how to delete both the message and him. I presume that is
                    how we are supposed to deal with such people:

                    OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!

                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: Stephen Lark
                    > To: sceptredisle@ yahoogroups. com
                    > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:13 PM
                    > Subject: [sceptredisle] Re: To what extent ..........
                    >
                    >
                    > Jeanne d'Arc died during Henry VI's minority. His Regent in
                    England
                    > was Humphrey, Duke of Gloucester and in France was John, Duke of
                    > Bedford. Both were Henry V's brothers.
                    >
                    > PS I hope someone other than ourselves is reading this forum!
                    >
                    > --- In sceptredisle@ yahoogroups. com, "Anne Gilbert" <avgilbert@>
                    > wrote:
                    > >
                    > > Stephen:
                    > >
                    > > I wouldn't call the case of Joan of Arc "Lancastrian policy",
                    > though, other than the fact that Henry VI was (nominally) the
                    king.
                    > But he was in no position to influence these events one way or
                    > another, although his English supporters certainly did, for their
                    own
                    > reasons. So I don't think this is a good example. As for Henry V,
                    > now that you mention it, I vaguely remember something about his
                    going
                    > after Lollards, but that's about it. I'm less familiar with this
                    > period than you are.
                    > > Anne G
                    > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > From: Stephen Lark
                    > > To: sceptredisle@ yahoogroups. com
                    > > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:42 AM
                    > > Subject: [sceptredisle] Re: To what extent ..........
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > --- In sceptredisle@ yahoogroups. com, "Anne Gilbert"
                    <avgilbert@>
                    > > wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > Stephen:
                    > > >
                    > > > Well, IIRC, Henry IV was supposed to be kind of a religious
                    > > fanatic; he persecuted Lollards. I don't recall that Henry V or
                    > > Henry VI(who wasn't "all there" to begin with), did much to
                    > persecute
                    > > anybody. But then, I don't know this particular period that
                    well,
                    > so
                    > > maybe someone who is better than informed than I am, will have
                    > better
                    > > information.
                    > > > Anne G
                    > >
                    > > Henry V was a voracious persecutor and there are cases under
                    > Henry
                    > > VII whilst we all know of Henry VIII's "even-handed" approach
                    and
                    > his
                    > > elder daughter's record. Between 1422 and 1485 there are very
                    few
                    > > cases - Jeanne d'Arc and others fall during Henry VI's minority.
                    > >
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                    > > >
                    > > > ...... was religious persecution in England a Lancastrian
                    > policy?
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                  • Stephen Lark
                    Not Henry himself but his Lancastrian uncle who ruled France. Yes, there were complicating factors but she is the best-known victim from 1422-61, 1470-1. In
                    Message 9 of 28 , Nov 3, 2007
                      Not Henry himself but his Lancastrian uncle who ruled France. Yes,
                      there were complicating factors but she is the best-known victim from
                      1422-61, 1470-1. In other words, Henry IV and his sons changed
                      English policy on this; Edward IV and Richard III didn't follow it up
                      but Henry VII, VIII and Mary I did - Lancastrians all.

                      Indeed, as a Channel 4 programme on Easter Monday with contributors
                      including Dr. Rowan Williams showed, an early translater of the Bible
                      into English (Wycliffe, I think) under Richard II died of natural
                      causes but was disinterred and burned under the Lancastrians. A
                      similar fate awaited a man hanged for robbery under Edward VI who had
                      cursed the Pope from his scaffold.

                      --- In sceptredisle@yahoogroups.com, "Anne Gilbert" <avgilbert@...>
                      wrote:
                      >
                      > Stephen:
                      >
                      > Okay. I see what you're getting at here. But that still wouldn't
                      make Henry himself responsible. He was too young to be responsible
                      for much of anything. And anyway, it's my understanding that Joan
                      ended up burned to a crisp because she basically got "shafted" by her
                      supposed French supporters, and ended up somehow in the hands of the
                      Burgundians who were supported by the English(which would more or
                      less make this "Lancastrian policy" by default), but by that time,
                      nobody had any immediate use for whatever her talents actually were.
                      I'm actually a little unclear as to just why she ended up a prisoner
                      and not a hero(ine).
                      > Anne G
                      >
                      >
                      > Jeanne d'Arc died during Henry VI's minority. His Regent in
                      England
                      > was Humphrey, Duke of Gloucester and in France was John, Duke of
                      > Bedford. Both were Henry V's brothers.
                      >
                      >
                      > .
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                    • rgcorris
                      Perhaps the best-known victim of religious persecution under the Lancastrians in England was Sir John Oldcastle (the original name used by Shakespeare for
                      Message 10 of 28 , Nov 5, 2007
                        Perhaps the best-known victim of religious persecution under the
                        Lancastrians in England was Sir John Oldcastle (the original name
                        used by Shakespeare for Falstaff), who was a soldier and Lollard
                        dissenter and was hanged and burned for heresy and treason in 1417.

                        I suspect the religious aspect of Joan La Pucelle (Shakespeare
                        again) was not the prime reason for executing her, more the
                        political impact of her actions.

                        I don't usually regard the Tudors as "Lancastrians" in any
                        meaningful sense - although Henry Richmond claimed Lancastrian
                        support when he usurped the throne he did not obviously pick up the
                        policies left behind by the previous three Henries, and his son is
                        generally thought to have taken after his maternal grandfather
                        rather than his Lancastrian genes. Mary I seems to have had more of
                        the Spanish about her than any lingering trace of Plantagenet.
                        However, that might be an interesting debate - how much reversion to
                        Lancastrian policies took place after 1485 ?

                        Richard G


                        --- In sceptredisle@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Lark"
                        <stephenmlark@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Not Henry himself but his Lancastrian uncle who ruled France. Yes,
                        > there were complicating factors but she is the best-known victim
                        > from 1422-61, 1470-1. In other words, Henry IV and his sons
                        > changed English policy on this; Edward IV and Richard III didn't
                        > follow it up but Henry VII, VIII and Mary I did - Lancastrians all.
                        >
                        > Indeed, as a Channel 4 programme on Easter Monday with
                        > contributors including Dr. Rowan Williams showed, an early
                        > translater of the Bible into English (Wycliffe, I think) under
                        > Richard II died of natural causes but was disinterred and burned
                        > under the Lancastrians. A similar fate awaited a man hanged for
                        > robbery under Edward VI who had cursed the Pope from his scaffold.
                        >
                        > --- In sceptredisle@yahoogroups.com, "Anne Gilbert" <avgilbert@>
                        > wrote:
                        > >
                        > > Stephen:
                        > >
                        > > Okay. I see what you're getting at here. But that still
                        wouldn't
                        > make Henry himself responsible. He was too young to be
                        responsible
                        > for much of anything. And anyway, it's my understanding that Joan
                        > ended up burned to a crisp because she basically got "shafted" by
                        her
                        > supposed French supporters, and ended up somehow in the hands of
                        the
                        > Burgundians who were supported by the English(which would more or
                        > less make this "Lancastrian policy" by default), but by that time,
                        > nobody had any immediate use for whatever her talents actually
                        were.
                        > I'm actually a little unclear as to just why she ended up a
                        prisoner
                        > and not a hero(ine).
                        > > Anne G
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Jeanne d'Arc died during Henry VI's minority. His Regent in
                        > England
                        > > was Humphrey, Duke of Gloucester and in France was John, Duke
                        of
                        > > Bedford. Both were Henry V's brothers.
                      • Le Bateman
                        Wasn t Oldcastle the Step-father of Thomas Brooke. Brooke was also a Lollard, yet he escaped the fate of his step-father. Was this Thomas the father of
                        Message 11 of 28 , Nov 5, 2007
                          Wasn't Oldcastle the Step-father of Thomas Brooke. Brooke was also a
                          Lollard, yet he escaped the fate of his step-father. Was this Thomas the
                          father of Elizabeth Wiatt. If so then he is one of my relations. .
                          Le
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: "rgcorris" <RSG_Corris@...>
                          To: <sceptredisle@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:27 AM
                          Subject: [sceptredisle] Re: To what extent ..........


                          Perhaps the best-known victim of religious persecution under the
                          Lancastrians in England was Sir John Oldcastle (the original name
                          used by Shakespeare for Falstaff), who was a soldier and Lollard
                          dissenter and was hanged and burned for heresy and treason in 1417.

                          I suspect the religious aspect of Joan La Pucelle (Shakespeare
                          again) was not the prime reason for executing her, more the
                          political impact of her actions.

                          I don't usually regard the Tudors as "Lancastrians" in any
                          meaningful sense - although Henry Richmond claimed Lancastrian
                          support when he usurped the throne he did not obviously pick up the
                          policies left behind by the previous three Henries, and his son is
                          generally thought to have taken after his maternal grandfather
                          rather than his Lancastrian genes. Mary I seems to have had more of
                          the Spanish about her than any lingering trace of Plantagenet.
                          However, that might be an interesting debate - how much reversion to
                          Lancastrian policies took place after 1485 ?

                          Richard G


                          --- In sceptredisle@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Lark"
                          <stephenmlark@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > Not Henry himself but his Lancastrian uncle who ruled France. Yes,
                          > there were complicating factors but she is the best-known victim
                          > from 1422-61, 1470-1. In other words, Henry IV and his sons
                          > changed English policy on this; Edward IV and Richard III didn't
                          > follow it up but Henry VII, VIII and Mary I did - Lancastrians all.
                          >
                          > Indeed, as a Channel 4 programme on Easter Monday with
                          > contributors including Dr. Rowan Williams showed, an early
                          > translater of the Bible into English (Wycliffe, I think) under
                          > Richard II died of natural causes but was disinterred and burned
                          > under the Lancastrians. A similar fate awaited a man hanged for
                          > robbery under Edward VI who had cursed the Pope from his scaffold.
                          >
                          > --- In sceptredisle@yahoogroups.com, "Anne Gilbert" <avgilbert@>
                          > wrote:
                          > >
                          > > Stephen:
                          > >
                          > > Okay. I see what you're getting at here. But that still
                          wouldn't
                          > make Henry himself responsible. He was too young to be
                          responsible
                          > for much of anything. And anyway, it's my understanding that Joan
                          > ended up burned to a crisp because she basically got "shafted" by
                          her
                          > supposed French supporters, and ended up somehow in the hands of
                          the
                          > Burgundians who were supported by the English(which would more or
                          > less make this "Lancastrian policy" by default), but by that time,
                          > nobody had any immediate use for whatever her talents actually
                          were.
                          > I'm actually a little unclear as to just why she ended up a
                          prisoner
                          > and not a hero(ine).
                          > > Anne G
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Jeanne d'Arc died during Henry VI's minority. His Regent in
                          > England
                          > > was Humphrey, Duke of Gloucester and in France was John, Duke
                          of
                          > > Bedford. Both were Henry V's brothers.





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                        • Anne Gilbert
                          Richard: Can t say I know anything about Sir John Oldcastle, except the name is (sort of) familiar. The Lollards were popular in England; they reflected a lot
                          Message 12 of 28 , Nov 5, 2007
                            Richard:
                             
                            Can't say I know anything about Sir John Oldcastle, except the name is (sort of) familiar.  The Lollards were popular in England; they reflected a lot of discontent, I believe, with some of the social arrangements of the time and naturally, the "authorities" didn't like them all that well.  The "official" Church certainly didn't, but that's another story.  As far as Joan of Arc was concerned, of course her trial and excution were political maneuvers!  "They" wanted her out of the way and not stirring up "trouble" among the French!
                            Anne G
                             

                            Perhaps the best-known victim of religious persecution under the
                            Lancastrians in England was Sir John Oldcastle (the original name
                            used by Shakespeare for Falstaff), who was a soldier and Lollard
                            dissenter and was hanged and burned for heresy and treason in 1417.

                            I suspect the religious aspect of Joan La Pucelle (Shakespeare
                            again) was not the prime reason for executing her, more the
                            political impact of her actions.

                            I don't usually regard the Tudors as "Lancastrians" in any
                            meaningful sense - although Henry Richmond claimed Lancastrian
                            support when he usurped the throne he did not obviously pick up the
                            policies left behind by the previous three Henries, and his son is
                            generally thought to have taken after his maternal grandfather
                            rather than his Lancastrian genes. Mary I seems to have had more of
                            the Spanish about her than any lingering trace of Plantagenet.
                            However, that might be an interesting debate - how much reversion to
                            Lancastrian policies took place after 1485 ?

                            .





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                          • Stephen Lark
                            ... is (sort of) familiar. The Lollards were popular in England; they reflected a lot of discontent, I believe, with some of the social arrangements of the
                            Message 13 of 28 , Nov 6, 2007
                              --- In sceptredisle@yahoogroups.com, "Anne Gilbert" <avgilbert@...>
                              wrote:
                              >
                              > Richard:
                              >
                              > Can't say I know anything about Sir John Oldcastle, except the name
                              is (sort of) familiar. The Lollards were popular in England; they
                              reflected a lot of discontent, I believe, with some of the social
                              arrangements of the time and naturally, the "authorities" didn't like
                              them all that well. The "official" Church certainly didn't, but
                              that's another story. As far as Joan of Arc was concerned, of course
                              her trial and excution were political maneuvers! "They" wanted her
                              out of the way and not stirring up "trouble" among the French!
                              > Anne G

                              Also, many of the French wanted her out of the way as well - "Saint
                              Joan" by Shaw features the Dauphin rather a lot. Oldcastle is a more
                              definite religious reformer although he was a political rebel as
                              well. Before the Norman Conquest, some strides had been taken in
                              translating the Bible into the English of the time, this was resumed
                              shortly before the Lancastrians arrived and had to wait until Henry
                              VIII's time, sometimes but not always with his approval.

                              Why did the Lancastrian Kings - and Henry VII always portrayed
                              himself as one even though he was only Henry VI's half-nephew and the
                              non-Royal half at that - indulge in religious persecution when the
                              Yorkists and pre-1399 monarchy did not?
                              >
                              > Perhaps the best-known victim of religious persecution under the
                              > Lancastrians in England was Sir John Oldcastle (the original name
                              > used by Shakespeare for Falstaff), who was a soldier and Lollard
                              > dissenter and was hanged and burned for heresy and treason in
                              1417.
                              >
                              > I suspect the religious aspect of Joan La Pucelle (Shakespeare
                              > again) was not the prime reason for executing her, more the
                              > political impact of her actions.
                              >
                              > I don't usually regard the Tudors as "Lancastrians" in any
                              > meaningful sense - although Henry Richmond claimed Lancastrian
                              > support when he usurped the throne he did not obviously pick up
                              the
                              > policies left behind by the previous three Henries, and his son
                              is
                              > generally thought to have taken after his maternal grandfather
                              > rather than his Lancastrian genes. Mary I seems to have had more
                              of
                              > the Spanish about her than any lingering trace of Plantagenet.
                              > However, that might be an interesting debate - how much reversion
                              to
                              > Lancastrian policies took place after 1485 ?
                              >
                              >
                              > .
                              >
                              >
                              >
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                            • Vixis The Klingon Witch
                              i pulled up the spammers full headers and sent them to yahoo abuse as they had a yahoo address. and they will investigate then remove their account. Dee
                              Message 14 of 28 , Nov 6, 2007
                                i pulled up the spammers full headers and sent them to yahoo abuse as they had a yahoo address.  and they will investigate then remove their account.   Dee

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                                ... as they had a yahoo address. and they will investigate then remove their account. Dee ... drgnscub1@... ... crunchy and go well with brie Draco
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                                  >
                                  > i pulled up the spammers full headers and sent them to yahoo abuse
                                  as they had a yahoo address. and they will investigate then remove
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                                  Thanks, Vixis. I notice that there are too similar spammers
                                  on "Whisper of the Blade" - could you deal with them similarly?
                                • rgcorris
                                  Dee, if this is open to anyone (not just moderators) could you describe the process in more detail please ? Richard G ... they had a yahoo address. and they
                                  Message 16 of 28 , Nov 9, 2007
                                    Dee, if this is open to anyone (not just moderators) could you describe
                                    the process in more detail please ?

                                    Richard G

                                    --- In sceptredisle@yahoogroups.com, Vixis The Klingon Witch
                                    <klingonwitch@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > i pulled up the spammers full headers and sent them to yahoo abuse as
                                    they had a yahoo address. and they will investigate then remove their
                                    account. Dee
                                  • Vixis The Klingon Witch
                                    sorry i am slow in answering lately. My 3 year old grandson has been diagnosed as legally blind and is facing eye surgery on both eyes and then later brain
                                    Message 17 of 28 , Nov 15, 2007
                                      sorry i am slow in answering lately.  My 3 year old grandson has been diagnosed as legally blind and is facing eye surgery on both eyes and then later brain surgery so i don't get to the mail as soon as I should
                                       
                                      I have yahoo mail and at the bottom of each email it says full headers, i click on that then when it comes to the page i then click on forward and send it to abuse@ ?? depending on the isp.  If it is an odd one they don't do anything.   sbc, cox, msn, yahoo and hotmail will usually send you a message that it is being investigated and yahoo will send you a message that the matter has been taken care of.
                                       
                                      also another address i use for money beggers, porn, lotteries etc is spam@...
                                       
                                      hope this helps.   Dee


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                                    • Stephen Lark
                                      ... been diagnosed as legally blind and is facing eye surgery on both eyes and then later brain surgery so i don t get to the mail as soon as I should ...
                                      Message 18 of 28 , Nov 16, 2007
                                        --- In sceptredisle@yahoogroups.com, Vixis The Klingon Witch
                                        <klingonwitch@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > sorry i am slow in answering lately. My 3 year old grandson has
                                        been diagnosed as legally blind and is facing eye surgery on both
                                        eyes and then later brain surgery so i don't get to the mail as soon
                                        as I should
                                        >
                                        > I have yahoo mail and at the bottom of each email it says full
                                        headers, i click on that then when it comes to the page i then click
                                        on forward and send it to abuse@ ?? depending on the isp. If it is
                                        an odd one they don't do anything. sbc, cox, msn, yahoo and hotmail
                                        will usually send you a message that it is being investigated and
                                        yahoo will send you a message that the matter has been taken care of.
                                        >
                                        > also another address i use for money beggers, porn, lotteries etc
                                        is spam@...
                                        >
                                        > hope this helps. Dee
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > YAHOO/AIM/AOL dragonscub1a ICQ 380495169 WINDOWS/MSN
                                        drgnscub1@...
                                        > http://cubbys-den.covenspace.com/ (vixis with a little v)
                                        > http://www.myspace.com/vampires_klingons_oh_my (Vixis)
                                        > .
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > Argue not with dragons nor meddle in their affairs, for thou art
                                        crunchy and go well with brie "Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus"
                                        or ketchup depending on the budget.
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
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                                        >
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                                      • Kevin O'Malley
                                        Dee, Sorry to hear the news about your grandson. Will be praying for his well being in the operations. Kevin ... been diagnosed as legally blind and is facing
                                        Message 19 of 28 , Nov 16, 2007
                                          Dee,
                                           
                                          Sorry to hear the news about your grandson. Will be praying for his well being in the operations.
                                           
                                          Kevin

                                          Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@...> wrote:
                                          --- In sceptredisle@yahoogroups.com, Vixis The Klingon Witch
                                          wrote:
                                          >
                                          > sorry i am slow in answering lately. My 3 year old grandson has
                                          been diagnosed as legally blind and is facing eye surgery on both
                                          eyes and then later brain surgery so i don't get to the mail as soon
                                          as I should
                                          >
                                          > I have yahoo mail and at the bottom of each email it says full
                                          headers, i click on that then when it comes to the page i then click
                                          on forward and send it to abuse@ ?? depending on the isp. If it is
                                          an odd one they don't do anything. sbc, cox, msn, yahoo and hotmail
                                          will usually send you a message that it is being investigated and
                                          yahoo will send you a message that the matter has been taken care of.
                                          >
                                          > also another address i use for money beggers, porn, lotteries etc
                                          is spam@...
                                          >
                                          > hope this helps. Dee
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > YAHOO/AIM/AOL dragonscub1a ICQ 380495169 WINDOWS/MSN
                                          drgnscub1@...
                                          > http://cubbys-den.covenspace.com/ (vixis with a little v)
                                          > http://www.myspace.com/vampires_klingons_oh_my (Vixis)
                                          > .
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > Argue not with dragons nor meddle in their affairs, for thou art
                                          crunchy and go well with brie "Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus"
                                          or ketchup depending on the budget.
                                          >
                                          >
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                                        • Kevin O'Malley
                                          I saw a children s fiction book on Amazon I might order called Captured by Vikings by Torill Thorstad Hauger & it is currently out of print. Although it is
                                          Message 20 of 28 , Nov 16, 2007


                                            I saw a children's fiction book on Amazon I might order called "Captured by Vikings" by Torill Thorstad Hauger & it is currently out of print. Although it is about two Irish children, I imagine the backround history would be similar for Viking attacks on Britain and inhabitants there who might find themselves taken into slavery by the Norsemen.
                                             
                                            Has anyone read this? Also - can anyone recomend good fiction on this period?
                                             
                                            Thanks,
                                            Kevin


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                                          • norma vieweg
                                            I truely am sorry to hear about your grandson. I to have a 19 month old grandson, we think has either clogged or no tear ducts. he has never shed a tear when
                                            Message 21 of 28 , Nov 16, 2007
                                              I truely am sorry to hear about your grandson. I to have a 19 month old grandson, we think has either clogged or no tear ducts. he has never shed a tear when he cries. He has an appointment after Thanksgiving. I hope all turns out well for your family. Happy Thanksgiving


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                                            • Anne Gilbert
                                              Norma: And I hope your grandson has his problem corrected, as well. I wish you all the best in this. Anne G ... From: norma vieweg To:
                                              Message 22 of 28 , Nov 16, 2007
                                                Norma:
                                                 
                                                And I hope your grandson has his problem corrected, as well.  I wish you all the best in this.
                                                Anne G
                                                 
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                                                I truely am sorry to hear about your grandson. I to have a 19 month old grandson, we think has either clogged or no tear ducts. he has never shed a tear when he cries. He has an appointment after Thanksgiving. I hope all turns out well for your family. Happy Thanksgiving


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                                              • norma vieweg
                                                I read a good fiction book called A Thralls Tale earlier this year it s by, Judith Lindburgh I believe. it s written as if by a 3 persons life journal almost
                                                Message 23 of 28 , Nov 17, 2007
                                                  I read a good fiction book called A Thralls Tale earlier this year it's by, Judith Lindburgh I believe. it's written as if by a 3 persons life journal almost as the lives are intertwined. A very good book I thought.


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                                                • norma vieweg
                                                  Thank You Ann. I only wish that your grandsons surgery were as simple as my grandson Kyels. Hope all goes well and may the Gods be with you and yours. ... Get
                                                  Message 24 of 28 , Nov 17, 2007
                                                    Thank You Ann.  I only wish that your grandsons surgery were as simple as my grandson Kyels. Hope all goes well and may the Gods be with you and yours.


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                                                  • Vixis The Klingon Witch
                                                    Norma has your grandson seen the doctor yet and if so what are they going to do? still have him on my candle list and wishing him lots of healing. Dee
                                                    Message 25 of 28 , Dec 8, 2007
                                                      Norma
                                                       
                                                      has your grandson seen the doctor yet and if so what are they going to do?  still have him on my candle list and wishing him lots of healing.
                                                       
                                                      Dee


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                                                    • norma vieweg
                                                      He was unable to keep his appointment and has another scedualed. Thank You for your concern. How is your grandson coming along? Vixis The Klingon Witch
                                                      Message 26 of 28 , Dec 9, 2007
                                                        He was unable to keep his appointment and has another scedualed. Thank You for your concern. How is your grandson coming along?

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                                                        has your grandson seen the doctor yet and if so what are they going to do?  still have him on my candle list and wishing him lots of healing.
                                                         
                                                        Dee


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