Re: [SCA Newcomers] heraldry
- Quoth "archerpren":
> No. I am Still working on a Name. But I am slowly narrowing down a timeOne good source for names from Florence is my article
> and place. 1450's Florence is what I am on now. I have been to Florence
> so I think I could imagine myself there. I've seen the Medici's house i
> could imagine I've been to a party there for sure! Plus the dresses,
> ooohhhh pretty! I am still trying to find names from that time and
> place and all the name lists I come across are northern Europe it
> seems. So if you have any tips on that front I'd be happy to haer those
> as well. How did you pick your name? :0) Pren
"Italian Given Names from the Online Tratte of Office Holders 1282-1532"
Near Florence (in the same dialectal region) is Arezzo, and my
article "Names from Arezzo, Italy, 1386-1528"
(http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/italian/arezzo.html) will give
you information on the types of name patterns used.
In Italy, assorted fruits and vegetables show up in armory far
more frequently than in other cultures. You can see an incomplete
list of examples at
These were often canting arms, as you can see from some of the
families that bore the different charges. So, if you want some
good uniquely Italian canting arms, you might consider using some
fruit or vegetable, and a surname related to that name for the food.
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- Quoth "sylance123":
> First off, if there a site that defines the heraldry terms in it'sThere is no comprehensive site, but the site that I use the most is
> entirety, or close to?
Parker's _ A Glossary of Terms used in Heraldry_
(http://www.heraldsnet.org/saitou/parker/). He has to be taken with a
bit of a grain of salt, because he's talking about Victorian practice
and not necessarily medieval practice, and a few thins he says about
blazoning differs from how the SCA does things, but in general when
he explicitly is talking about medieval usage, he's very reliable, and
he's got *a lot* of info.
> Second off, I know there's a site somewhere, I saw it once but nowThis is the Ordinary and Armorial database, at oanda.sca.org. But if
> can't find it, that has a relatively complete and updated list of all
> devices used in the SCA.
you are unfamiliar with the Rules for Submissions, which are available at
http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/rfs.html and which say (in section X)
when two devices conflict with each other, you might have a hard time
using the database yourself. If you have some specific designs you'd
like checked, let me know, I'll be happy to help.
> Small question, if you have a device that is the same pose and animalIt depends on how many of the colors you are changing, and other
> as one that is already in use, will changing the colors make it legal?
aspects of teh design.
> precise yet as I haven't had time to do much research lately. I wasThe best place to go for Irish Gaelic names are these articles:
> wondering though if anyone knew of some good sites or books with names
> for a female, if the site will show how to say the name (I'm still
> learning how to sound words out in Irish) then that's all the better.
"Quick and Easy Gaelic Names"
"Index of Names in Irish Annals"
The pronunciation of Gaelic changed quite a bit over the period that
the SCA covered (and differs quite a bit from modern Gaelic pronunciation),
so it's unlikely that you'll find any website which gives a pronunciation
for a name which is appropriate for the entire period. But once you've got
a particular choice of name in mind, let us know, and we can tell you how
it was pronounced in the period in which it was used.
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