Re: [SCA Newcomers] dutch ovens?
- On Monday 16 May 2005 19:14, bronwynmgn@... wrote:
> Cast iron itself isn't period. But there were similar cooking techniquesI did a bit more digging into this (my curiosity being fully piqued now...) and
> using metal pots hammered out and rivetted together, as well as ceramics, so a
> modern dutch oven is a good substitute. As long as you aren't using it at a
> demo and telling people that cast iron dutch ovens were used in the middle
> ages, go ahead and use one.
found this reference:
"Around 1500, iron cauldrons began replacing bronze cauldrons (Tylecote, 107).
Figures 6-8 show renaissance kitchens and their reliance on large metal pots.
These pots vary in size and use. Some of them hang, some of them have three
feet, and some have both features. Figure 9 illustrates the mechanical
advantage needed to remove a large cauldron of partly riveted construction
from its stand over the fire. Another large 16th century cauldron is shown
in Figure 10, where the entire fire and floor have been raised up on a
The "Tylecote" cited reference is:
Tylecote, R. F. A History of Metallurgy: second edition. London: The
Institute of Materials, 1992.
The article taken as a whole (not just the paragraph I quote above) seems to
mostly support Brangwayna's assertion that the Dutch oven as we know it was
not used during most of our period of study -- but something very like it
was just coming into common use at the end of our time period. (It is, IMO,
reasonable to presume that some cauldrons would have lids, which makes them
essentially Dutch ovens.)
But it is clear that during most of our period of study, cookward would have
been made of brass or bronze and would have been riveted rather than cast, in
The above-linked article is worth reading and has photos and line drawings of
cauldrons and cook pots from the Middle Ages, as well as a wealth of
bibliographic citations for further reading.
So I stand mostly corrected, though I think one could make a case that cast
iron, lidded cook pots probably did exist at the very tail end of our period
of study. For most of us (including 11th-century me, sadly), Brangwayna is
right, and Dutch ovens would be out of period. But, as she points out, it's
perfectly okay to use them in the SCA as long as you realize that you're
using something slightly out of period and are okay with that. They may
be a little late for our period, but they surely *look* medieval to me! :-)
Maistor Iustinos Tekton called Justin (Scott Courtney)
Gules, on a bezant a fleam sable and on a chief dovetailed Or two
keys fesswise reversed sable.
Marche of Alderford (Canton, Ohio) http://4th.com/sca/justin/
justin@... PGP Public Key at http://4th.com/keys/justin.pubkey