Re: [SCA Newcomers] tea & coffee??
- Regina Baird wrote:
>Yes, but that's /if/ anyone asks you. I've known people to drink pop (or
> trimmed for length..
> > Some of what I've read about tea puts it in Venice around the mid
> > century, the most common date givien for the introduction of tea into
> > Europe is 1610 by the Dutch. It would take a bit more research but
> > is conceivable that a Venesian would have known about and drank tea,
> > certainly Asian cultures and those in the NEar East would have had
> > access to both tea and coffee.
> So, in theory, barring any big bumps in research, I could say that
> (since my persona is a widow) my late husband, a merchant, could have
> had dealings in Venice and had, on one of his trips, returned with
> this strange brew called "tea"... ?? ::hopeful smile of one that is
> stretching to MAKE something period::
soda... not getting into that! :) ) out of period containers and not
worry about it. Most people won't ask unless they're making sure the
site stays dry (non-alcoholic). The important part is the period container.
who still mourns for her huge period mug that could hold twice what a
normal mug could... alas, for the follies of 3-year-olds who drop things...
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- As far as non-period stuff like beverages go, I think
it's easier to just have a big wooden mug (or other
period cup) and if someone asks what your drinking
(unless it's event staff keeping a dry site dry) tell
them water, or something else you know is period. No
sense in making up a million complicated stories to
keep straight (unless you really want to). That's the
joy of the SCA, there are many cases when you don't
have to explain something in period terms. Why a woman
fights or is a master craftsman, what you're drinking,
how a husband is first cent. viking and the wife is
14th cent. French...I could go on forever, the point
is, not everything has to be explained. If someone
gives you a hard time, plead the fifth or say "I
dunno" or something and don't worry about it. Drink
your coffee and tea and be happy.
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>::hopeful smile of one that isDont stretch, dear, there is really no need.
>stretching to MAKE something period::
First of all, while I personally believe that Authenticity is a GOOD thing at all times, I DO like my cup of coffee in the morning...
I also firmly believe that you DONT have to justify EVERYTHING you do, say or eat interms of "Period". (In my opinion, there are far too many cases of pure overreaching used to "justify" things like coffee and solid candy chocolate in the SCA, and these justifications often are often not much more than wishful thinking disguised as scholarship.)
If you enjoy a non-period thing, like a morning cup of coffee, or bar of chocolate (or Pennsic Chocolate Milk -Yum!), then enjoy it, and if asked, say, "I know it aint period, but I like it".
Far too often people seem to think that we are asked by the SCA to be "onstage" at all times, and that is simply not true. It's OK to do non-period things. What bugs me is when people try to take things that are plainly not period, and declare them as period or worse, "back-justify" then as period, because that is, in effect, lying. What usually happens is that someone finds an example of something period that happens to be broadly in the same category as that being justified, and use that to say that X is period (like the use of undutched chocolate drinks in late period Spain as "justification" for eatng candy chocolate).
So just have your cup of tea, enjoy it, and dont feel the need to make a point of justifying it as "period".
HOWEVER, adding to the period Atmosphere at events is good because it makes it easier for those who are trying to get "into persona", so the _best_ thing to do is to enjoy your non-period foods/drinks in a period fashion, using a good mug, for example, or putting your candy on a plate, instead of just walking about with a styrofoam cup of coffee, or soda can, and leaving candywrappers about.
That said, I feel I need top point out something about "persona"...
It may be a role we play, to some extet, but a "persona" does not have to also play our MODERN "self" while we play our medieval "self", or "explain" the things our Modern selves enjoy.
That is a pretty common mistake.
My persona, Captain Elias Gedney of Yarmouth, having travelled, has indeed tasted the rare cup of Moroccan coffee, didn't much like it, and doesn't get to have it anyway, since going into business as a "coaster" (a local shipper- the UPS guy of his time). He vastly prefers French wine, "goode English Ale" or small beer for most beverages, to "that bitter saracen drinke".
Myself, I am positively addicted to Coffee in general and to Turkish coffee in particular.
My persona also does not make a habit of drinking water if he can avoid it, (most people in his place and time would have avoided that - It would have been very unhealthy, unless you could find a clean running stream - "sweet water")
But _I_ NEED to drink water, and often, especially while at camping events.
So not only do I not feel compelled drink as my persona drank, I also dont feel the need to make my persona drink as I do.
I enjoy working wood, cooking feasts, and metalworking.
Captain Gedney would not do such things.
Furthermore, my persona would undoubtedly consider most of the things I do at events as "beneath his station".
My persona, being a person of his time, also enjoys hunting and bearbating and violently hates Papists.
I dont share those feelings.
I also dont feel compelled to concoct some complicated persona story to explain why a middle class English Protestant (from one of the most Calvinist parts of England) would drink coffee, cook or do scullery at court events, act like a base tradesman, despise popular entertainments (considered barbaric to the modern mind), and like the company of papists, pagans, and folk of all sorts.
The more complicated your persona story is the farther removed it is from reality, I have found.
My persona is not _me_, and he doesn't _have_ to like what I like.
Well, I seem to have rambled a bit...
I guess the basic point is:
You dont _have_ to justify _everything_ you enjoy in the SCA (or out of it) in terms of your persona.
So all this "stretching" is just unnecessary.
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- Help! I am being pecked to death by the Ducks of Dilletanteism!
There are SO damn many more things I want to try in the SCA
than I can possibly have time for. It's killing me!!!
If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather
wood, divide the work, and give orders. Instead, teach them
to yearn for the vast and endless sea.
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