RE: [SCA Newcomers] sca names
- --- Christine Taylor <christaylor@...> wrote:
> Another list member pointed out that the three namesI agree...this is your major hurdle - the nickname. Also,
> might be a problem.
> I also believe you hit the proverbial nail on the head
> with the use of "Samhain." It would be rather like my
> trying to call myself "Easter."
generally the adjective/descriptive part of a name comes
AFTER the first name..unlike English.
Example: To distinguish between Mary Neil and Mary Duncan
we'd give them nics based, usually, on some physical
characteristic...say, Big Mary and pale/white Mary. We'd
say Maire Mor inghean Neal and Maire ban inghean Duncan...
Hence "Donntarbh Samhain McLolair" would probably be more
correct. Granted, you might need to have 'Samhain' lenited
to be even more correct.
I think you'll still have a difficult time getting Samhain
past the heralds unless you can find documentation for its
use in a name. Perhaps you can alter the name to indicate
Donntarbh born at Halloween, of Donntarbh OF
halloween...some indication, other than a strict adjective,
of your connection to Halloween.
Your best bet might be to simply register the name without
the descriptor as your official name but introduce yourself
as Donntarbh McLolair called Samhain.
I've been called Ban Cu for as long as I can remember but I
haven't found an example of it in use in order to register
it as part of my name. Originally it was Cu Ban (which is
the corect form) and there was a member of the Fianna
called this. However, I was always asked if I was CUBAN!
No joke..and I'm about as Irish looking as they come (sans
red hair). I would not have been able to register Cu Ban
regardless because 1)it was used as a male name, and 2)the
Fianna are considered too much on the mythical end to be
considered an adequate historical source. Does this stop
me from using a form of it? Nope! But it isn't
Because the registration process is so long you might want
to consider these alternatives. Check with your herald and
see what your chances are...you never know!
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- Thanks - I'm in Dragonship Haven in CT. My area of interest would be daily
living in late medieval Scotland.
At 11:35 AM 11/22/2003, wambat13@... wrote:
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>Aren't you in 3M or DM territory?
>Are you familiar with Powell's?
>Aetheria has lists of period research books.
>Even if you are not the local Sorcha, contact
>me and I'll get you in touch with Aetheria
>for a good list of books in your area of interest.
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- I thank you for the advise. I will bring this up to our herald because the "samhain" is mearly a nick name. I didn't see the problem in using it but apearantly there is.
Tirloch O'Riordain <tirloch@...> wrote:
Samhain Donntarbh McLolair wrote:
> My persona name is Samhain Donntarbh McLolair. I am a CelticHere is a good resource for Irish names if you are interested.
> warrior of about 100-400 a.d. I have been told that my name doesn't
> fit as a name for the SCA because of the rules of heraldry. My
> concern is that my persona comes form a poeple that influenced those
> rules, not a poeple who were influenced by them. As far as the
> research I have done on the names of the Irish Celts, the
> name "Donntarbh" was quite common. Samhain is more of a Nick name as
> halloween is my birthday, and McLolair an apropriate last name, so I
> don't understand the problem. please help me...
> Samhain Donntarbh McLolair
As for the name you have chosen, first let me state that you do not have
to register you name. You can, but it is not required to do so. So you
can use whatever name you wish.
That being said, should you wish to register your name, you should talk
to a local Herald about the reasons it will not pass as it stands, and
work within that framework.
I am not a Herald, but I am Irish. What I can see as to the probable
heraldic problem would be the three names. Irish celts did not adopt 2
Christian names (first and middle) until the 1600's. One way to fix
this, would be to register Donntarbh McLolair as Donntarbh McLolair,
called Samhain. This may satisfy them.
Tirloch O'Riordain (who drops the saints name of Ainmire in the middle
when I want it to be period :-) )
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- On Monday 24 November 2003 16:49, samain donntarbh wrote:
> One way to fixI'll go you one better. You don't have to register the "called Samhain"
> this, would be to register Donntarbh McLolair as Donntarbh McLolair,
> called Samhain. This may satisfy them.
part of your name at all.
I am "Iustinos Tekton called Justin", but the "called Justin" part is not
submitted to the College of Heralds at all. They passed "Iustinos Tekton"
with very little hassle.
Maistor Iustinos Tekton called Justin (Scott Courtney)
Gules, on a bezant a fleam sable, on a chief dovetailed Or, two keys
fesswise reversed sable.
Marche of Alderford (Canton, Ohio) http://4th.com/sca/justin/
justin@... PGP Public Key at http://4th.com/keys/justin.pubkey
- That is how I am submitting my name as well Justin. For over a decade
I've been refered to as Rhys Aiden Bifjord (Rhisse Aoden Byfeyord for
pronunciation), I can document all three names back to my time period, but
not the use of the three names. I could document it... but not for the
900s. So I am registering Aiden Bifjord and everyone will just keep
calling me Rhys anyhow... heck, I've had that first name for 19 years.
Couldn't loose it if I wanted to. :)
Lord Rhys Aiden Bifjord (took me 18 years but I got the AoA)
> On Monday 24 November 2003 16:49, samain donntarbh wrote:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > One way to fix
> > this, would be to register Donntarbh McLolair as Donntarbh McLolair,
> > called Samhain. This may satisfy them.
> I'll go you one better. You don't have to register the "called Samhain"
> part of your name at all.
> I am "Iustinos Tekton called Justin", but the "called Justin" part is not
> submitted to the College of Heralds at all. They passed "Iustinos Tekton"
> with very little hassle.
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> Maistor Iustinos Tekton called Justin (Scott Courtney)
> Gules, on a bezant a fleam sable, on a chief dovetailed Or, two keys
> fesswise reversed sable.
> Marche of Alderford (Canton, Ohio) http://4th.com/sca/justin/
> justin@... PGP Public Key at http://4th.com/keys/justin.pubkey
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